Episode 129: Wellness Culture Math: Anti-Dairy but Pro-Colostrum and Raw Milk
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In this episode of The Up-Beet Dietitians podcast, Emily and Hannah discuss the trends that have taken over social media: colostrum and raw milk. If you’ve seen any “crunchy mom” or general wellness culture content, you might’ve seen either of these two dairy-products being promoted. The girls discuss the benefits of colostrum and what to think about if you’re contemplating taking it. Additionally, they discuss the pros and cons of raw vs. pasteurized milk as well. They also speculate which of our favorite wellness culture influencers are most likely to be taking colostrum supplements and drinking raw milk. Tune in for all the deets!
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Hello everybody welcome back to a brand new episode of the upbeat dietitians podcast hello everyone today we are
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talking about a social media Trend it is all over and it has reached the
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influencers so that's how we knew we need to talk about it so today we are talking about colostrum supplement ments
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and raw milk two very interesting topics and
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wellness culture has gotten their little claw into and we're gonna kind of talk
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about what the Closs like what colostrum is why people are drinking raw milk and
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should you be doing both of these or either of these a like very brief intro
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is claustrum just a supplement that's grown in popularity that people are taking much more recently um in pop
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culture news I feel like we should have like a pop culture segment oh I like that yeah yeah yeah yeah like why are we
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talking about this and or like what was our last straw that TI Tok did we see yeah our last straw that led us to make
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an episode about this um Sophia Richie Leonel Richie's
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daughter NEPA baby Tick Tock influencer also has a past history of being friends
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with the Kardashians this is the extent of my knowledge of who she is just posted a
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smoothie recipe with the like La trendy grocery store restaurant Awan and they
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they're the like stores I have the 18 to like $20 smoothies for absolutely no
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reason but they look very pretty I will note true and in her most like her
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Sophia Richie smoothie she has colostrum in it and she's currently pregnant and
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she's saying she's taking it for pregnancy so we'll be talking about that
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for sure that was I was like as soon as I saw that I'm like oh gosh the sales are
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skyrocketing since that oh yeah and then people are just choosing to drink raw
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milk over pasteurized milk so we're gonna talk about that as well we'll get
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to it I don't know the title of the episode today Emily does a great job of usually naming our episodes but Dairy is
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sort of the theme of the day if you haven't gathered sort of yeah I guess we'll get to this too but the irony
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about certain dairy products being promoted and other ones being
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demonized just Wellness culture things just Wellness culture things there should be a Pinterest board I think of
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like the just girl things or whatever it was called back in our day oh my gosh I can like visualize it I just had a
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moment like a flashback like that you could wait what okay Quick Tick Tock real idea
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we're already detering you know how like people I don't know if you've ever seen those videos where like people either
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make like really negative quotes but they like yes put them in the the ones I see more recently are like things
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surgeons have told me like told Med students in their first year it's like you're like like it's like the most
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outrageous things we should do that we make it a just Wellness culture things
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and like compile like everything we've ever talked about Wellness culture and this could be like
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a ongoing series just like pretty Tech like pretty background pictures but
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like you can you can't drink soda but you can have
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probiotic bubblies like something like that that
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be cute that'd be amazing we could probably have a whole account of just those honestly it's like just that's our
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podcast honestly is an endless supply of just one those culture BS that we're bashing on yeah okay your idea for us I
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love it okay anyway let's get into first of all what exactly is colostrum so if you've heard of it before you likely
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I've heard it referred to as liquid gold because it's usually like a yellowish color it's what is first produced from
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the mamary glands when a baby is born um but other mamal other mammals also
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produce it besides just and the colostrum that is being sold in the supplement form tends to be Bine
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colostrum which comes from cows so that's what it is it's it's for
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babies it's for human babies baby cows but it's being sold to ad
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adults yeah we have a whole list of flaws guess we'll save it maybe we'll
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finish describing what it is so the main purpose of colost like when it's
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produced for a newborn is it's really helpful in building that baby's immune
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system there certain antibodies um lucaites it helps with gut
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health they get the nutrients they need being little tiny babies that were just born it helps them have like that first
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poop which is great for getting you know rid of certain toxins in their body it's
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for babies like it is called Liquid Gold because it really does all the things that newborn babies need right after
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they're born things that when you're in your 20s and 30s aren't really a problem
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like there's you don't need to have that laxative effect from it because you
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aren't needing to do that first poop pooping on a daily basis hopefully but for a baby it is a really really great
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thing it's one of the big benefits of breastfeeding yes and another thing to
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note about it is colostrum and like humans is only lasts for like the first
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3 to Four 3 to 5 days of breastfeeding after that it turns into transitional
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milk so there's a very small period I didn't look what it was in like cows or
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like other mammals but I assume it's probably similar like a much shorter
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time period compared to other milk um so
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it's like the first thing the baby's drinking and then also it's really easy to digest and this is important because
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like the babies are coming out not having any exposure to like outside
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food like germs and like bacteria and just like the air like they are fresh
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out of the Loom and their digestive tract has not is like very vulnerable at
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this point yeah if you're an adult you're digestive tract maybe it could be
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messed up my dig just messed up but say all
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our check being all kinds of messed up yes but for different reasons yeah um so
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it's just like really important to know also like the flow of colostrum when it comes out of the mamory glands is just
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very slow because it's teaching the baby to nurse like you
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don't want to like coming out 100 miles per hour never comes out that fast that'd be crazy that be that'd be really
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crazy but like everything all a lot of these purp the purpose behind colostrum
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is to essentially adjust this baby to the new world and help it learn how to
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adapt exactly and speaking of like the gut you mentioned how they have that
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brand spanking new baby GI tract that is not not super developed and
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so the certain there are certain nutrients in a colostrum either supplement or you know
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in the actual stuff from the mother um that can freely pass into the
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bloodstream because that newborns intestines are underdeveloped but in adults certain nutrients that are in
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colostrum that are claimed to be super helpful for us they are going to get broken down in certain ways that it
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wouldn't be broken down in a baby and so not going to be utilized as well so our guts are just totally different that's
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the bottom line is our guts are just totally different and so we're using these nutrients in totally different ways because we've had 20 years 30 years 40
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years of life to grow and develop and our body adapts to that which is a good
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thing overall it's a good thing our body knows what it's doing and it can use grown-up food to support
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immunity gut health skin Health all those different things yes
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it's just we're going to talk about it more we're just in very different places in
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life yeah well I kind of rattled off just a second ago some of the supposed
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benefits the biggest one is the biggest two I would say that I see a lot of is immune health and gut health
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inflammation gets thrown around as a benefit with like all supplements I feel like I know like the greens powders
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we've reviewed inflammation was claimed um seed oils everyone's always claiming
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that those are going to make inflammation worse so of course they're hopping on that Trend too but with that
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we always say like what exactly is being inflamed like what antibodies are you talking about here like at what dose of
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course always has to be mentioned there's also some
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um benefit claimed for athletic performance so Muscle Recovery and enhan
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performance during Spore or weightlifting or whatever skin health and then some claims for even like
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clinical benefits like sepsis respiratory infections things like that it just does so much it does everything
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what what can't colostrum supplements do it could probably also cure cancer
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probably also probably cure depression just wow does liver King know about
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this just want to p i guarantee I kind of look it up
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actually if I want to know if I feel like if I put money on someone gwenth is taking this oh yes is
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wood liver King I called it yep he has his incentral ancest ancestral grass-fed
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colostrum I knew it interesting I don't know if I would have expected that from him his is a capsule
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not a powder it's $68 for 180 capsules oh my
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God how many do you take per serving that's what I want to know is it like take as needed I think you take more
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than one per serving it says it's like it ends up being about 68 bucks a month dang that is like
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my heat bill electricity bill it's so much it's so much don't
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worry though it is grass-fed and GMO free goodness yeah those cows are not eating
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any GMOs because you know that's how it works the cow eats a GMO and so you get
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the GMO it doesn't go through any type of digestion or you know getting pooped
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out or anything no it just goes straight through them it just stays in the cow
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until you either drink their milk their colostrum or their
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beef oh man these poor cows those poor cows which is one of our cons actually a
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few of our cons I already mentioned the one about our gut being more developed than a newborns but the first and
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foremost thing I've listed here as one of the issues is we're humans not cows and most of the supplements being sold
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are bovine colostrum and cow colostrum contains specific antibodies and
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nutrients that are beneficial to baby cows may not translate into adult human
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benefiting from it I was thinking about this argument about the anti Dairy people cuz
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we got to take all the sides into account and the people that like arue like we shouldn't be drinking other
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animals milks but then I was thinking about it and I was like we're not
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drinking cow's milk for the same reasons like cows are
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drinking milks their milk like oftentimes it's
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their babies growing those are the main people the main cows drinking cow milk
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and then we're often times it's like for us it's like a really easy and accessible like protein Source like
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super easy carb Source it's very like affordable and accessible I don't know
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if cows have issues with affordability and accessibility or food insecurity
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like I don't I don't know their lives but then I was thinking about I'm like okay let's think about that so then
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maybe like the argument is like like no coud products or like whatever but the thing is like people are taking
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how like colostrum for the human
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benefits so it's like a completely different there's just completely different reasoning behind both of those
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right and we're not baby cows we're not baby cows and I mean speaking of like the
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anti-dairy group and like ethics this is like way
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down on our list here but we'll get to it now since it ties in some people are questioning the
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ethical practices of these bovine colostrum supplements because when we're taking this colostrum from the mother
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cow does this mean that we are depriving this quote unquote Liquid Gold from some baby calf there's only so much of this
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colostrum produced it's not like milk which you know can be produced over and over and over again for a long period of time this is like right after giving
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birth and then it goes away after however many cycles a cow has I'm not
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sure I'm not a vet but I don't know where I stand because I do drink milk and there can be you know what what you
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just said like are we taking that away from May cows so I don't know where I stand personally but it is worth
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questioning like is it ethical to even take this away from the mom to get to the baby especially I feel like since
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there is just a limited like access to it like we we do not know I like I don't
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know how long it stays in the cow system yeah but like from a newborn baby
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standpoint this is like very important for growth and there's a very limited
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supply of it it's so funny because like some of the supplements will say oh what do they how do they word
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it they word it as like cow first or something like that let me find my cow first let me find it they like
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animal rights yes they make a claim on the package that says it's like the cow
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basically gets first I forget how they word it let me find it oh and anything leftover we we get the
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leftovers yeah even though there's not probably that much also just like any other
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supplement who's verifying that yeah that's not a reg that's not a regulated phrase you could just say that so some
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say well some will say sustainable which who knows what that means and then calf first sourcing is another claim they'll
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have on the label sometimes which sounds to me like the calf gets their their pick of the liquid gold and the rest
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goes to the supplement brand um yeah
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uh if you have to clarify that maybe we shouldn't be doing that interesting well
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of course being a supplement we also have our usual cons limited evidence
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supporting its use there is some evidence um on colostrum use and some even support some
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of these different Pros but like we always say we have to like dig past the
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abstract with the a study and look at the sample size and the actual outcomes and who's funding the
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research there's there's enough there's not enough evidence where I as a dietitian I'm going to say that
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claustrum is worth taking especially at this price point which we'll get too
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like there's some evidence not enough that it's high quality or that has been proven enough to be
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worthwhile yeah we're going have to wait wait a bit for the
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research and then two of course our quality and safety concerns I have not
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seen any of these that are third party tested but they are calf first sourced
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or whatever I just said yeah so anything they're saying in
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the labels could just not be accurate
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exactly I don't know of any thirdparty testing companies that test for calf first sourcing no no one is verifying if
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that's true or not or if any of the other claims are true yeah and if you're like wondering what we're talking about
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specifically when we say like when it comes to supplements like we always talk about we'll include our supplement
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episode in the bio if you'd like to listen to that episode after where we kind of go into regulation and whatnot
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we should include a few other episodes too we talk about other supplements just so they can kind of I feel like if
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they're if they're wondering about colostrum they could be wondering about other supplements too let's just throw Herbal Life on there because that
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comes goo can be thrown in there oh goo that's a very recent one oh didn't we do
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beach body or something Beach Body we def talk about Liber Kings we I
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was like we may throw well throw gwenneth and liver King on there gwenneth all right there we go we got
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five other episodes for you guys to watch you're G to be hearing the same thing
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basically over and over and over again in each of those and then you will know Y what to expect every time you'll be
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able to recite it um let's talk about possible side effects okay because that's always fun it's always fun it's
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it's just like reminds me of like any medication commercial where it's like side effects include cardiac arest or if
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you're allergic to this pill don't take this pill yeah oh genius
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idea um so some possible side effects of colostrum if you're planning on taking
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the supplement or curious are nausea flatulence diarrhea unpleasant tastes
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and individuals with dairy allergies or lactose and toolerance should also avoid
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bobine colostrum supplements because the lactose in it and is
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dairy the irony it's interesting how Dairy is perceived
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in this world I know we we'll get to it we're kind of hinting but we'll talk more
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about the the irony here one last con we've kind of touched on already but of course the high price tag um let me pull
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up what is the name of that the Big Brand I always hear about the one with the cow on the face there's Miracle moo
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which the Tik Tok one and then armra armra seems to be like the fancier one
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that like AR the rich Wellness people get to take oh my gosh so armra is
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$110 for oh this just looks bougie this it's so bougie this
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like the pictures for 120 servings so less a book a serving which
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honestly is better than some Brands yeah Miracle moo is the
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other one it even says like number one most recommended on Tik Tok on the
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label which just goes to show you can put anything you want on a sub month label yeah interesting that's crazy how
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much does this one cost of course you like scroll through 30 different things before you even get to the price so one
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tub of Miracle moo is $60 how many servings is this it like
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won't show me the nutrition facts red flag wow all
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right well I'm not doing that it's expensive it's all you need to know it's like not let you see it which is again
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our red flag yeah if they're not making this information
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accessible scary stuff the fact that it says Tik Tok on it just looks
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so so weird the the only thing I've ever seen with Tik Tok like on it is books
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where it's like this was some book talk but I'm like this is a book like that's okay
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right this is a health supplement with side effects
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potentially and a much higher price tag than a book
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yes so all in all we don't recommend
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Blum if yeah you haven't gotten that the side
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effects like aren't that intense and they may not even happen at all I think
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it's more of one of those things where you're paying a hundred bucks a month for nothing
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basically yeah and like you don't know what's in it if you have a like food allergy you don't really know what's in
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it because we have not found one that's third party tested at this time and it's
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just like one of those like all-in-one Miracle supplements if they claim to do that
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many things yeah it's like if you take a vitamin D
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supplement you know it's supporting your vitamin D levels in your body that's what it does period but like with this
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it claims to do so many drastic things they're also vague too it's like gut health immune Health like what exactly
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about the gut right it's just interesting interesting
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things well along with colostrum Wellness culture is also very big on raw
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milk right now Emily and I were just talking today about doing an episode episode spoiler alert on crunchy mom
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talk because that is a lot of where the raw milk stuff is coming from well let's talk about that
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specifically shall we let's let's talk about it
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so the it's like the raw milk versus pasteurized milk argument a little
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history lesson milk pasteurization was
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developed to essential from like a food safety stand point it's a process of heating milk where it's high enough in
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temperature for a long enough time to destroy or deactivate organisms enzymes
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that can contribute or spoil food or increase risk of disease and it's been
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around since the 1800s so 200 plus years
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at this point and some specific germs that are very dangerous and raw milk
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that pasteurization has helped manage are eoli l l
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you're about leria I was about to say leria oh
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no Sal manella I think um brucella
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campor and cryptosporidium nice there we go I I had
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to slow myself down or else it would get crazy but you
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definitely at least sort of like eoli leria Andia yeah and
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right has been a lot I'm really glad
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people have the food safety basics in their brain about it because I've seen a
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lot whenever raw milk gets brought up I see it in the comment sections where he's like are we just going to forget
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about it like just GNA pretend that's not a thing
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and the we say it the pregnant mom dietitian who is drinking real milk we
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don't claim her Sarah Grace Mech I don't think she's we
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name dropping I we're senior dieticians now as we've been practicing for a solad three four
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years I don't think she would have any intention of coming on here unless I don't know maybe she has a 180
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but I will note she used to be very like like we were talking about this like at one point we followed her like years ago
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and it was because she was in the UD of eating space and then we don't know what
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changed when what if she's the marketing person behind goo that we talked about
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oh my God she's the one that got sick of it and she's like she is the one who went rogue oh a potential
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candidate and she has a big enough like following that like they could have easily found her right I'm like oh you
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know cons we're spreading rumors I know this is all conspiracy please do not think
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this is true it probably actually isn't no probably there's probably there's probably a lot of like thats that have
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so many had enough yes give us 10 years give us 10 years see how we are doing
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that yeah but Sarah made this Tik Tok
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and I'm spec we're specifically bringing her up because she is a dietician and and she like Hannah I
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don't know if do you ever see the whole video or did it get take okay good good good good I'm glad saw the whole thing
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because I was like by the time I dm'd it to you and I looked back she took it down I was like oh yeah I'm glad you saw
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it I forgot I did if I like it wasn't on my for you page because my for you page knows better than that but I I saw the
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whole thing yeah yeah yeah I did yeah but essentially she did this like I'm a crunchy mom something I like I'm
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going to drink raw milk while I'm pregnant essentially it was and it was like all these like very Wellness cultur
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things and when I watched it I was like dang we we lost another
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one but I we bring up her because she's a die one she has a code of ethics to follow
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that we also follow that she apparently does not want to follow about promoting
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evidence-based information that's not harmful she had to take she had a pass food
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safety 101 she knows about
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leria anyway there's like also so many like crunchy mom Wellness moms that are
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drinking raw milk and a lot of them are like it's related to pregnancy which is like very concerning to me that's like
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the main group who shouldn't be drinking it if anyone else like that's the most
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unsafe group to be drink drinking it yeah like your body is like imuno compromised because you are growing a
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human being and your human being is very susceptible to getting sick it's
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honestly it's selfish it I like don't
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understand any of the rationale especially because regular
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Dairy provides it's safer obviously we're going to get to that but it provides the
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same nutrients so like what is the benefit like anything there's it's I'm I'm mad
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there's not it's not worth it like you get the same benefits from regular milk but the same people who are demonizing
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the milk that's cheaper and more accessible yep even though it's safer option yeah like with less risk of
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getting sick and pasteurization has like almost essentially
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eliminated Scarlet fever tuberculosis and typhoid from food born
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illnesses why like people are no longer dying at 35 40 years old they are
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living like double that yeah and changes in our food so that these food born
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illnesses and like things we've learned over time because of science help us
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live longer it's just like anytime this is like your next Bull put like anytime
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people bring up like our ancestors ate or like what they were doing healthwise
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like yeah they were doing that but let's look at their like longevity of life
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like they were dead by 40 doesn't apply to everybody also like just because your great grandma drank raw milk and
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happened to survive doesn't mean that everyone else's family did that I put in the
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notes your great grandma also didn't wash her hands and now we know to wash our hands
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on a regular basis yeah it's crazy I mean I don't even know if we know that honestly I don't know if we know that
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because of I mean yeah that's true co where we learn we know that we just don't practice it kind of like this like
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we know to not drink raw milk but we're gonna do it anyway because capitalism and wellness culture yeah it's just
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crazy to me I'm
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like why no like I kind of like I know some of the reasons why their ancestors
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gut health and probiotics big food and big Dairy even though they're still eating
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dairy that's the part that gets me the most mad is like eat whatever you want
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drink whatever you want but you can't in the same breath demonize the more accessible option when it's providing
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the exact same nutrition maybe less you know I don't know what exactly gets
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removed that would be promting gut health and such in raw milk
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but at the risk it's just not worth it it's crazy it's so crazy well we like to
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provide resources and we included a website where if you do want to know
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where your remk comes from because it also has the other benefit that they claim is it's you know exactly where it comes from you know the farmer it just
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feels more I don't know what the word is to describe that you just can trust that
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it's coming from a good source iess yes is another clean that they make with choosing their own milk so they usually have to like go out of their way to like
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they have a milk dealer like that whole thing um but if you get regular
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old store bought milk like the rest of us do like Emily and I do peasants yeah
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you can go to where is my milkf from.com there's a little code on your carton of milk you can put it in that
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website and it will tell you where your milk is from and it usually is pretty local milk it doesn't make sense for it
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to travel a long distance so it's usually coming from within the state maybe the next state
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over there's going to be dairy farms pretty close to almost everywhere
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in the United States so it's not going to go too from too far which is another thing that with the raw milk like just
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because you got it from the same zip code doesn't mean that it's better for you
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oh yeah I I truthfully have not researched
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this a whole lot until we planned out this episode so if you do want to learn more about like pasteurization and the
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raw milk dietician debacle go check out food science babe and Andy does healthy
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who we had on the podcast a while back both talk about this a lot more in detail and debunk all of the ridiculous
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comments that they get about this whole thing and we'll include their names in the bio as well if you
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want to go there so all in all we've talked about
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this like kind of throughout but the entire like
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laughable laughs we don't cry content and irony of all this is like
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the people who are promoting colostrum supplements and raw milk are also the same people who are saying like telling
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you not to drink Dairy because it's inflammatory and you should only eat quote unquote unprocessed Foods when all
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supplements are processed very processed and
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both raw milk and colostrum have dairy in it but I but they make inflammation
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better they reduce inflammation unlike regular milk which evidently causes
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inflammation it's always it's always so ironic I think ironic and irony is the best way to describe this there's just
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so many examples of this that we've described in so many episodes like it's just so easy when you
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know what to look for to point out all the different ironic things
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yes it's crazy it's crazy
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well hopefully you guys got the gist I feel like going into this once again you probably knew exactly what we were gonna
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say oh it's not third party tested it's expensive it's not evidence-based yeah W's culture prevails
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and there's always something new another win for wellness culture today yeah and
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a loss for science a loss for science poor science yeah it's okay maybe they'll do
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research on this and then we can return to and be like here's our research based things on what's going
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on right now there just is no research because scientists did not think people
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would be encouraging drinking colostrum or
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consuming colostrum from cows when we first started this podcast I would have never guessed that we were talking about
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colostrum for an episode unless we're discussing breastfeeding or something I was gonna say that's something I left
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behind in life cycle nutrition I don't work with babies you don't work with babies or breastfeeding mothers I don't
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either I avoided allly um same and I left that piece of
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information way back there yeah here we are it's getting applied to the general
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public and the crunchy moms I tell you I I dared to make a single video about
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crunchy moms my comments are rough I'll share that when we get to our crun mom
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episode but yeah that's gonna be excited for that episode but at least we'll be
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together and we can take them on together take them on together it's hard because I guess we'll get to this then
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but we're not moms yes so we have to come from from a sciency standpoint professional stand
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Point Medical Professional still there's just like certain things that even if you're not a
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mom like you should know not to do to your child yeah I I will okay we're I'm gonna say
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this for that episode because I will note one thing because I saw one argument that I'm like yeah because like
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bigest AR me you can't quote about like you can't comment on someone's parenting style if you're not a parent but then I saw someone say like
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yeah but we were all kids at one point and we were like Reflections like we
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true dealt with the parenting so we still know something so I'm like okay as
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soon as I saw that I'm like yes I feel validated that's good that's and we're old we're oldest daughters too got be
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something there that we can rely on there's definitely something there um but yeah we'll let you guys go
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I like your we're gonna talk more specifically about like flavored milk I think that's a better way to go Hannah
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time we're just like constantly doing a live episode all
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time that'd be so over stimulated that's my nightmare honestly
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like if we're gonna do a business it shouldn't be a nightmare to us that sounds should be calm and quiet yeah be
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like okay you know silent discos could be silent that seems like it's
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contradicting but we'll figure out out away it's going to be the most introverted quiet podcast Zone with
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coffee you've ever been to yes and dogs and dogs all right that's
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In this bonus episode, the girls start off talking about what flavor of milk is their favorite. From chocolate milk to banana milk, the conversation quickly spirals (as it does) into Emily discussing her favorite topping at Culver's that was discontinued and Hannah's access to the Athletic Dining Room food at Purdue. And because this is The Up-Beet Dietitians podcast, they lay out what their dream cafe would look like in Montana where you all could visit and we'd live in a happy non-diet culture world. <3
