Episode 33: Nutrition & Social Media: The Importance of Blogging and Writing with Andy De Santis, RD, MPH
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Participant #1:
In this episode, we are joined by Andy DeSantis, a private practice dietitian who specializes in one on one consultations with clients with a variety of nutrition related goals, from weight management to addressing digestive health issues. Additionally, he's an avid writer and blogger who's been featured on a variety of prints and online platforms. Be sure to listen to the podcast, hear about his experience with writing, how you can work with him, and to hear about his preference when it comes to sweet treats. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Upbeat Dietitians podcast. Hello, everyone. Hello, Andy. And welcome to the Update Pod. We're so excited to have you looking forward to chatting. Yes, quickly to just get us started and get right into things. Why don't you tell us a bit about Day in the life, what you do for work, your past education, and then kind of we're going to end up with fun hobbies you like to participate in. Yeah. Cool. Well, yeah. So Day in the Life, I kind of mix. I think working people one on one in my private practice with communicating people more broadly. So via social media, my writing, whether my own website, whether it's like books or other paid opportunities I have for newspapers and stuff. So like, I mix and match one on one with broader communication and yeah. And that kind of all started back. I got a master's degree in public health and nutrition back in the day. Actually, not that. I mean, not that long ago in 2014 and then I worked for Diabetes Canada, and I just kind of did my own thing after that. And kind of here we are. And my main passion Besides nutrition probably has to be soccer, like my number one thing.
Participant #1:
Perfect. Very awesome. Also a fellow soccer player here, but I have not played College, but Besides that, but never leave it's all good. That's true. It's like riding a bike. Well, today we really want to talk to Andy all about blogging and writing, because that's something Andy has really excelled at. So to get us started, Andy, tell us about sort of your experience with blogging and writing and how you sort of got started doing that. Yeah. So when I started out all those years ago, it was a bit different than it is now these days when you're kind of trying to do your own thing on Instagram, there's way more examples. Let's just say it's a more clear cut what you might do if you want to pursue doing your own thing on social or having your own business. When I started five, six years ago, I mean, maybe there were people that maybe I wasn't paying attention. But in my mind, I kind of thought I'm going to write my way into opportunities. That was kind of my strategy because I always loved writing. I always envisioned myself writing books and kind of being known for my writing. And so I just made myself a free website, and I started writing blogs. And then I used Instagram, even though I use it differently in a sense. Now, in the same way I use it to kind of educate and promote my writing. And it's almost always connected to writing, even if it's just some random joke or whatever. It's almost always connected to writing. And so it's always been like that for me. And it kind of worked out. The writing did create a lot of opportunities for me. And so that's kind of how it kind of got started.
Participant #1:
Cool. Yeah. We've been following your writing entire journey for a couple of years now, and it's been really cool to see how much you like kind of different content you put out. And then we were very new to kind of anything nutrition related, especially with writing, because I don't think I see a lot of dietitian writers honestly on social media. So it's really cool to see to know that you're very passionate about that and you're able to use your nutrition background and educate in that way. Yeah. 100%. Hopefully a decent example for people who are into writing. Not everyone. Is that's fair enough? And obviously there's so many other avenues, like podcasting, which is super cool. Like I said before, I knew on both of you guys for a while. And it's funny that eventually at some point I forgot you guys knew each other. Here we are. So it's a fun little journey, all the social media stuff. It's so funny. Well, yeah. I feel like the dietitian blogging community is definitely growing, and I feel like you're like the OG Rd bloggers. That's pretty cool. Nice. I'll take that for sure. Yeah. So kind of way into our next question. We covered a bit of this already. But why do you think blogging is so important? And how can it help dieticians and Dietetic students if they were interested in it? Yeah. Okay. So I think there's a few things first and foremost, it's a very good professional development tool. Right. So even independent of anything else, when you research your rainbow things, you get a better level of mastery over the content. Right. So the people, the more people that you encounter, the more opportunities you have, like, you know, flex your knowledge and show it off. Right. And the more you write, the more diverse your knowledge array is more impressive. You're going to become a health professional, so independent of anything else that's really valuable. But of course, there's much more than that, right. Because when you have a website that you write, well, there's SEO, you know what I mean? You could catch an article of yours could catch on the front page and get crazy views. And that's happened to me a bunch of times. That's one thing. Of course, it generates opportunities for you because there's lots of companies who want to pay you to write, whether that's books or paid posts and stuff like that. So it adds so much variety to your routine, depending on kind of how you like to operate for me. I really enjoy variety. Right. So I like the fact I can make money different ways. I could write one day. I could talk to people all day, one day or I could write all day, another day. And it's equally functional for how I kind of run things. Right. So those are some of the things. And finally, as you guys can appreciate, a social game is increasingly important these days. Right. And the thing is, I think that some people don't appreciate is like, if you write an article, like, one article could be ten to 15 Instagram posts. You know what I mean? When you dive into topic in deep detail, you can really use that and then translate that to a lot of Instagram content. So it's deeply connected. It's not one or the other. Right? It's not like you write or you do Instagram or you write or you do a podcast or whatever the case may be. You know what I mean? And, heck, if you do a lot of writing, when you're going to have more things to talk about, if someone brings you onto the guests on the podcast, you're going to have more areas of expertise, you know what I mean? So there's all sorts of fun benefits. Those are just like a scratching surface, obviously get the right books, which is what I did. I didn't get the right books for any other reason. Besides, I kind of committed to writing and people found me and kind of offered me these opportunities because I put a lot of effort into it. So it's pretty cool. Yeah. I feel like people sometimes view social media as a whole and, like, blogging included in that as like a very surface level thing. You just post stuff and you just write stuff. But if you use it to actually build a business and you have a strategy goes into it, like you just said, trying to figure out how to turn that blog into 15 Instagram posts. And like, how can you connect all those things? So you're not just spending hours and hours and hours completing just all sorts of different types of content? I think that's a really good point that you made that it can just be used for a lot of things. And social media really is. And blogging along with that is like a business in itself. It's a lot of work. Yes, it is. You have to want it right. It all depends what you want to get out of what you're doing. And there's lots of different things that could be the answer to that question. If it's purely financially motivated. If it's for professional development, it's not for everyone, but for the right person. It's a really good complement. And certainly people who enjoy writing, you can open a lot of doors for yourself. If you're already good at it, you'd be ashamed not to because that's the hardest part is the bare entry is to write effectively and efficiently and not be able to get the most out of it for the least amount of time. In a sense, because we're all time limited for everyone, obviously. Yes. Absolutely. Well, all that being said, we know you have calligraphy your program. So kind of along with that, how can dietitians and Dietetic students get started with logging and writing? We do know that it can be a really important tool for career development and for your own personal business, whatever it might be for that individual. Yeah. I guess that's kind of two questions. Right. So let's say let's divide it. The first one is for any given person who wants to start writing. Well, you need a website. Let's just say which is these days is very easy to make. Right. You can make a free website. That's really good. I made a crappy free one all those years ago. Now I have a good one that's like a decent one anyways. And someone else made. But back in the day, I made a horrendous one these days. A lot of people who work with me on the writing, they just make free ones, and they're perfectly fine. They generate good tons of business, which is like a kind of free website they made for themselves. So that's number one, number two, you got to write your first article before you write your 10th article. Right. Sometimes what happens with writing is the first few pieces of content go under the radar, but then you cross that tipping point. Let's say that all of a sudden people are interested in all your other ones, and that's kind of what happened with me. So if you have a subject area that's really important to you that you intend to be an expert on and to teach people in any way. Well, it's just natural that you would explore via writing. And that's exactly to your question about calligraphy all these things I mentioned so far, figuring out what to write about, how to write effectively, how to turn writing into social media content is what I basically coach people on. So it's not like you're going to bang and everything else. Just write all the time and be like a hermit. But how you're going to use your writing in the most effective way, how you're going to write the most effective fashion so that you can actually keep it up as sustainable activity. Writing is also really rewarding independent, like not just professionally, but just like a relaxing activity. Right. And the sense of accomplishment after completing a piece of writing. It's pretty cool as well. Yes, in my opinion. So good. Well, why don't you use this time to kind of talk about where our listeners can find you, maybe plug, calligraphy or whatever else you want to talk about? Yeah, sure. First of all, so obviously on Instagram that's A-D-R-D-I do have a Instagram page at Kilography 101 right now. That page is neither here nor there. I'm using to show off my clients writing because a big part of actually, this is actually a great conversation because even I'll be interested guys as well. But let me ask you guys a question. So you guys make these podcasts because I'm not familiar with podcasting. So you make these podcasts, and obviously you get topics to talk about, but then just like writing, you know what I mean? These things are similar, but then the promotion is very interesting. Right. So what steps? Let me ask you this and I'll answer it from my end. What steps do you guys take once you have a podcast out to promote? It like one of you. And I'm sure this is ongoing for us. You're probably learning what the best practices, but yeah, why don't you guys tell me the answer to that? Yes. Well, it definitely is ever changing our little baby podcasters, trying to figure out how to navigate all this, but I do think that social media has been our best tool so far. I think it'd be really great for us. I guess. Emily, while we're talking about this, we should have a blog in the future about our podcast that are transcripted and eventually send that out. We have a newsletter that we use to promote what's coming up, what just came out last month. But I definitely would say that social media is the biggest thing where we kind of just post about what's coming up and also what has already been released. And like what you were saying earlier, back to that, like 15 posts per podcast thing or per blog. It definitely applies to this, too, where we have, like, anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour and a half long episodes that we can yank, like, tons of content from, which is awesome. That's probably the biggest thing, Emily. Anything to add to that? I think one of the biggest things I've seen with podcast promotion is just incorporating snippets of it. Hannah and I talk about this all the time, but with how social media has been changing, especially recently, we've noted that when we actually include examples of the different episodes, people really become more interested in invested once they see that rather than us just posting. Either we have to make a really good podcast episode title, or we have a really good snippet. It's just trying to grab attention very quickly. And I think videos is one of the best ways to go for podcasts. Especially. That's cool. I asked this from my curiosity. So it's funny because titles, obviously in writing, are very important not only for SEO to have a chance to rank on Google, but also for people to be interested because you can write the same piece of content and how it's phrased the title is more compelling. It can totally change the whole outlook as to whether or not people are interested in or really understand what it's about. And even just asking that question that even gave me an idea. And you guys can tell me if this happens to you, but sometimes I rarely go back and read my old articles. But some of the stuff I wrote and I'm like, oh, damn, this is good. This is well written, good stuff. You did good. And you guys might find episodes. Maybe some are like, oh, wow. This really came off really the way we want. It was really sweet. But even to what you said, I could easily as well take quotes from my own article. So sometimes I settled some nice sentences. I'm like, all right. I could use as a post as well. So that's kind of cool. Right. And so that's a fun idea. And on my end, even for Calligraphy. And one of the things I've learned as well because I've had a really good interest in helping with calligraphy and writing stuff is Facebook can be really effective for promoting writing. And one of the big things I do for my clients because at the end of the day for writing clients specifically. Yeah. You want to know how to write? Yeah, you want professional development. But yeah, we also want outcome, like financial reward of those business prospects. Right. It's one of the biggest things I've learned over the last year is how effective Facebook can be for sharing written content. Some posts that I've written, which have got some decent traction, whether it be a Google, whether it be a newsletter, whether it be Instagram, all the things that you guys mentioned, they explode on Facebook. So Facebook is very if you had a podcast on I don't know. Let's just say for the sake of argument on collagen, right. Or on endometriosis, which is more specific if you share that episode on Endometriosis support group, that's a very smart strategy. So it's something I've learned, and it's something I now do for my telegraphy clients just to give more details. One of my clients, who is an IBD diet in Texas probably name is actually, I promoted her quite a few times on my page because we've actually done a lot of ring together because IBD is one of those conditions where it has severe quality of life and significant quality of life implications. People are really clamoring for information on it. So I shared her work and they've got really good traction, really good feedback. Even in the testimonial stroke. For me, she was citing how people reached out, doctors reach out to her about her posts and stuff like that. So just an example. It's just an example of that. Writing can be compelling and not just for the sake of it, but also from the business perspective. I just want to kind of rambling a little bit about Caleb, if you're writing stuff, but hopefully some interesting food for thought for you guys and as well, for anyone listening, who maybe isn't utilizing that method of marketing free marketing, which I honestly didn't realize until recently. We didn't even think of that. Like, there are literally support groups for different things going on. And we've been like, if you have trouble finding your target audience or the right people that you want to find your content when there are groups for that. Yeah. Like, for example, for this podcast, let's just say this is about writing. You might go to some dietitian groups on Facebook. And why should dietitians write? We talk to Andy about this. Cool. Like that would be smart if you talk to, I don't know, like a PCOS dietitian. It'd be really smart to share that link in PCOS groups. Right? Absolutely. I don't know what you guys are not or not, and I don't know the nature of the reptiles going forward, but this would be very smart for you guys to do. Right. And that's something I do for my we're getting some free advice. I love the strategy.
Participant #1:
Yeah. This is the kind of stuff I would tell to my career, even if we're just talking, even if we're not working together yet, I'll just put them up on that and say, listen, I work with a number of people, and I really push them to work hard because my main thing is just to show them that writing can be impactful and that it really can be a big benefit. And people will read your work. They will read your work and you will. And Facebook is a great way, because if you're sharing a support group on Facebook, it's a very intense niche community on Instagram. It gets lost because if you don't have a flash, you know what I mean? It's totally different. You can make a joke or a meme. That's about a very serious post. And because the meme was funny, then people are interested in the post. And it's not always about the purity aspect of this nutrition knowledge and stuff. But you have to have a flash involved or like the reals or whatever. But in the Facebook setting, in a support group setting or specific group setting, it's really conducive to sharing information with people who really need it. Also, don't get us started on Instagram. We're all right. Instagram said to us, but for those reasons, you just explained, it's kind of crazy. No, I understand. I've been on for a long time and yeah, I get it. It's what it is, right. It's tough out there. It's tough to compete. And certainly some of the things you have to do to compete these days. It's, like questionable. So that's how it is. Well, I love the point you made about how the writing can be powerful, and you obviously want it to be, too. So like, you write these really great articles and you want them to get seen. So it's so good to have someone like you who is telling people you're working with exactly what steps to take. So those actually are getting red because that's, of course, the end goal that you want. So that's such good advice. I love that. Yeah. Especially when you're starting out. I had a call today with a new client, and when you're starting out, especially, it really is a good way to demonstrate your commitment and your expertise. You know what I mean? Because writing does take a little bit of extra effort, but it will make you much more impressive as a speaker as well, because when you write something, you master that knowledge, you can speak on it better. That's what people don't realize. And also Ashley, who was kind enough to like, right. She also literally said exactly that as well. And this is also something I was aware of when someone else you work with actually puts it out there, you realize. Oh, yeah. So when you write about something, you're going to be able to speak with that topic at a higher level, it doesn't just sit there and exist whatever. Like, it's going to make you better every day as a result. So in terms of writing is the only way to acquire that knowledge. But it is really effective. Reading is great. But reading processing and writing, that's a whole other level. Right. And then that content is always there for you to go back on. So you're not pulling up a Google article on a subtopic you actually have that you could tell it with a client, you could pull up your article with a client that oh, I've done this before. Let's go through it together. And that's a very powerful thing to do that makes very impressive to people you work with. So true. Sorry. I'm like, go ahead. I was going to say kind of I definitely feel like that resonated with us where I writing is much more. I feel like almost eloquent where you're really intentional about all the sentences here for me and stuff like that. But I've also found that with the podcast, I guess kind of similarly, what we've really had to delve into different topics. I feel much more confident. So it's almost like the part of the education of like, we know a lot of these things. But once you go further to try to translate it into a format for either the general public to understand or certain group, it really does extend upon that further knowledge. And you'll feel even more confident. It is really valuable. And plus, like you said articles don't disappear, which is really cool. They're always going to be there. Yeah. And more than that, if you put the right tools in place, like if you work with someone like myself or somebody or someone else in that realm, it's more than that. They could rank highly on Google. And then that leads you to crazy opportunities.
Participant #1:
Again. Just so people understand. I wrote an article for Faramax, which is like an iron supplement. And so yeah, that's an example of the opportunity I got from writing. But in the end, I actually got like, that article caught really caught high on Google, and it was getting 50,000 visits a month, which is pretty crazy. You know what I mean for a blog post when prisoner people don't read blog posts or they don't read things. Right. And so that could just generate massive, massive traffic to my website. So when you write content, if you're smart about articles, you say, listen, this is a problem that you have like, you want to learn more. We can work together. Right. So it can be an integral part of the process. And also the cool thing about writing, I guess we'll let people know is let's just say there's audio and video, which obviously is very good. Obviously, podcasts are awesome. I love some podcasts as well. But one cool thing about advantageous is if you structure properly if someone goes to let's say you have a podcast or a blog post on, let's say PCOS as an example to do that. If you structure an article properly, an individual can go to the information they want, take it right away and leave. Whereas if it's audio or video, you can earmark things. But you still have to let the person shoot the words out at their own little slow pace. Do you know what I mean? You can't just take the information right away. And so I think writing definitely has that advantage. Now. Obviously, Instagram infographics stuff do, too. But that's a bare minimum elaboration and discussion of actual science. Right? Literally. Just so there's some limitations there. But that's why Instagram and writing are cool. Because Instagram can capture the highs of the writing and the writing. You can capture that same ability to get information quick. So yeah, just some things to think about for anyone out there who will be thinking about writing and the advantages of it. And just to know that it's a thing. Yeah. Such a good point you can't control as a podcast that you can on the website and just find what you're looking for. That is a very good perk. Yeah. Because obviously there's a podcast too, of course, working out and listening to it. And that's awesome. Right. That's super cool there's pros and cons on. Is everything exactly? Well, Andy, I apologize. I did not send you the bonus question ahead of time. So I'm really throwing this on you. I think it's a good time for a bonus question. So we always visit the end, and we kind of have a little debate or a conversation about what we think. But our bonus question today that I fail to tell you ahead of time. And so you have to just think right now is what is the best starburst flavor like, of all candies and stuff like Starburst? I was never really fought. I've always had starburst. Okay, you got to ask me about a different candy or something, because I've had all sorts of different candy and chocolate and ice cream and stuff and cake. But like, Starburst, I wouldn't be able to tell you, you know what I mean? I've had Starburst. It's been so long. It's just not like it was never up there for me. Okay. What's one of your top favorite candies, then that has multiple flavors that has multiple flavors. Okay. Do you like fruity things like that very much in general, or are you more of, like, a chocolate? Good question. I like both. I have a lot of candy and chocolate, especially when I was in high school. So I don't know, like Swedish berries. Fuzzy peaches, cherry Blasters had all of those. Those were good chocolate Mars Bar Twix, three Musketeers. I don't know. It's tough, right? I mean, I like all that stuff. I had some brownies and coffee for the rice cream last night for me and Thanksgiving. That was delicious, but, yeah, I mean, Star Wars flavor. I mean, if you have a flavor of wine gum, I don't know anything but the licorice one, I guess. I don't know. You sound like me. And literally, every episode that we have, I can never exactly pinpoint my favorite anything. I just like everything. I like gummy candy. I really do like gummy candy. Those are great. It's tough, though. That's a tough question. Meat chocolate is really good as well. Oh, I love Mint chocolate. Okay,
Participant #1:
let's do like a gummy candy. Is there, like, sweet? It feel like sweet. What are you guys favorite? Let's start with that starburst or gummy candy. Gummy candy. Because moving on from that. Okay. Whatever. For me, I do love a gummy peach. I think those are my favorites. The little peach rings. Okay. Like the sour ones or sour anything. I'm more of a sweet. You guys might have different stuff, too, in the States because I know you guys have more products for everything. So that's all part of it. Yeah. I like sour gummy worms. Okay. Cool. Yeah. I like gummy worms with the Cola bottles. Those are good.
Participant #1:
Bristol Late is the same. Essentially,
Participant #1:
no. Gummy worms are pretty sweet, though. Swedish berries, for sure. I mean, yeah, for most of my teenage years, Swedish berries eating the berries. So those are delicious. Do we have those here, Emily? I've never heard of those before. Are those, like the black and red? Like looking? They're just red. They're just red. They literally look like Raspberries. They're by company. They're owned by maybe Cadbury or Mainers or something. Yeah, you should Google Swedish. Are you Googling it right now? I'm Googling it right now. Swedish berries. We have Swedish fish, but I've never heard of Swedish. I think it's the same company. Those are probably tasty as well. I'm sure they are. They remind me of fruit snacks.
Participant #1:
We're also probably like a slight different generation, so it could be like that was available. Maybe it's like transition to sweaty to green candy. You know what I mean? True Cadbury mini eggs, Cadbury cream eggs. Those are also exceptional. Anything like Reese's, like peanut butter kind of thing. I've never into Reese's peanut butter cup myself. What? No, I do like peanut butter, but recent peanut butter cups, not so much Smarties are all right for sure. I can't get into the Smarties. That's what I was going to say. If you said Smarties, I'd be like,
Participant #1:
right. Well, Smarties combined candy and chocolate mini eggs are better, though. There's just something about the shell. And just like you have those around. It's going to be a party.
Participant #1:
I was a real candy connoisseur. I only talked with kind of
Participant #1:
fun. I was like a real candy connoisseur, especially on the TV. So I love all that stuff. Absolutely
Participant #1:
sorry. Forgetting it's completely relevant at this point. Also, I think a piece of chocolate and a brownie. The brownie was so sweet. The chocolate cake tastes like a neutral flavor by comparison. Neutral. I was born with a lot of very interesting you ever had. That where you have, like, two different desserts and one so sweet at the first. I don't think I've ever had that experience until last night. It was very interesting. So you were having both cake and a brownie at the same time. In what situation was that happening? Yeah, I guess was for dessert for, like, Canadian Thanksgiving. Oh, okay. That's right. Okay. Yeah. I had my kale later in the evening, though, so don't worry about that. Oh, yeah. I wasn't worried about that. Definitely not judging. Yeah, but that's funny. Well, yeah. There you go. I've never talked about my love for candy and chocolate podcast before. So there you go.
Participant #1:
They've been dying snow at Andy. The artist's favorite candy is referred them here. Yeah, I got to dig deeper if there's anything else. But McCain chocolate cake is also very good. It's like that cheap chocolate cake. It's like, it's amazing. I know. You mean, it doesn't have to be fancy pizza and cake. They're both almost always good, even if they're not, like, fancy. Yeah, that's true. Whatever. I'll just tell you a funny story because whatever. I mean, at this point, I had a whole pizza when I was during my March break in high school while I was watching a soccer match. I got so ill that I couldn't bring myself to really have any meaningful amount of pizza since so that would have been, like, whatever, 15 years ago or something. So I haven't had, like, a significant. I've obviously had a little bit here, but not a pizza since that day where I got really ill when I had a whole pizza. Oh, my gosh. Understandable? Yeah. Definitely fun fact for you. That's really sad. I literally ordered pizza for tonight. Like, it's waiting downstairs for me right now. Well, what kind of pizza is your guys favorite? Oh, gosh, that's a really hard question. Well, Emily lives near Chicago, so pizza is, like, a very big part of her life or really anything like, we have Papa John's tonight, like, any kind of stuff? Yeah. I don't think we have Papa Johns in Canada. The Payton Manning. You guys are from Indiana, right? Well, I am. Emily is from Illinois, Illinois. Okay. Manning do advertisements for Papa Johns. I think so. I used to love pay demanding. I used to, like, the back, and I don't know, it's also kind of irrelevant, but there you go. It's just not learning so much more than nutrition. I'm going to tell you something else since we're just
Participant #1:
I was excited for the Fancy in Indianapolis because that signed. I got to take a sign. I got crossed my arms. It's an indie sign. Yeah, I was like, hyped up about that. I know I was sad because it's only, like, 2 hours away from where I live. I live like, a little bit north, and I was like, oh, finally, I don't have to drive for 8 hours to go to the darn thing, but maybe in the next decade or so, Orlando, I'm definitely going to go to that one. I think we were planning on it, too. So I'll see you there. Yeah. Did you guys go to Washington, DC? I was at that one. I didn't go to DC. I went to Philly. Yeah. Went to Philly. Okay. 2019, right. Emily? Yeah. Because 2020 was Indy. Okay. Yeah. Fancy was awesome. It was a good time. Definitely. Orlando. I've always wanted to a Disney World, so it's just like, that's a weird thing. It's perfect. It's also very warm there. I mean, the weather where we live is probably very similar. So by October dips, but Orlando is very warm. You already looked into it. There you go. There you go. A little bit of writing, a little bit of fun. This is the Joy podcast. I guess you can't really pull this off blogging.
Participant #1:
Let me talk about the serious trail off, talking about nonsense, talking about gummy berries. No. Yeah, that's funny. Well, Andy, where can our listeners find you? What's the best place for them to go to? Yeah. Well, I appreciate people follow me on Calligraphy 101, which is my Calligraphy Instagram page. I'm trying to grow that. And then Andyvard Instagram at andyggd. Com. Andyvardd Comblog those are the places to find me. And if you like what I had to say, about writing, and you might be interested to work with me. Then reach out and we can talk. I'm a good time to work with as you can realize that, but definitely after today, but yeah, otherwise, that's it. Thanks for having me. Of course. Yes, we will link all of those in our description. So if you guys need them, that's what they'll be. Awesome. All right, Andy. Well, thank you so much for being on the pod. We truly appreciate it with the plane to have you back on for more food conversations. It sounds like. Yeah, that'd be fun. Just let me know. I'll be glad to absolutely. Thank you everyone for tuning in today's episode. We hope you get back in again next week. Have a great rest of your day. Nice job, Emily. Okay. Bye, guys. Bye.
