Episode 76: How to Discuss Intuitive Eating with Skeptical Friends and Family Members
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Episode Description
In this episode of The Up-Beet Dietitians podcast, Emily and Hannah discuss how to tackle the holidays and social seasons when you may run into family members or friends who aren’t supportive of your intuitive eating journey. The girls discuss common issues that come up and how to handle them. They also run through a couple mock situations where you might encounter a negative comment and how you can handle it. Be sure to tune into a very meaningful episode with some fun theatrics!
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Participant #1:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Upbeat Dietitians podcast. Hello, guys. Welcome to the pod. We thought getting close to American Thanksgiving and Christmas if you celebrate holidays such as those that it would be good to discuss as you're maybe spending more time with friends and family. What to do if said friends and family don't fully understand your intuitive eating journey or if they're kind of fatphobic. Maybe things you can do about that. So we're going to go over into the episode a few general tips, and at the end we're actually going to go through like different scenarios. So, like, if Aunt Karen says this, how do I reply? So got that to look forward to today. Yeah. It'll be exciting time. And what better time than before all the holidays? And we know we're going to see people we probably haven't seen in a while. Yeah. You're going to listen to this live, though. Not live, but as soon as it comes out, because this is coming out Wednesday, thanksgiving on Thursday. So let's hope you get ready. We'll promote the heck out of it on social media to get you. Yeah. So let's get right into it. Our first thing we're going to talk about is if family and friends are not as supportive of your intuitive eating journey, kind of your motivation to heal that relationship with food and your mental health. We have to remember where they're coming from. And they're probably coming from not to say that, like, good job, like that kind of sense where they're coming from. More of like, they're probably coming from my diet culture mindset. Diet culture has been around for decades and a lot of people that's all kind of they know exactly. It's probably not ill intentioned, it might feel like it, and we certainly don't agree that it's the right thing for them to do, but they probably just don't know any better, which isn't validating their thing that they're doing, but they just don't know better. Yeah, it kind of hopefully softens the blow a little bit, you know, that maybe there's some ignorance there. But what we can do instead of getting really upset about it and being really aggressive back toward them, we can plant some intuitive eating seeds. And you don't even have to say intuitive eating because that might trigger something. You could plant some non intuitive eating, like right out seeds. Like if someone talks about I I could never have a second serving of potatoes. I would gain so much weight. Maybe say something like, oh, I'm listening to my body. I'm respecting my body. My comments like that aren't really beneficial or helpful. And I appreciate if you don't. This is kind of going into scenarios a little bit, but just like trying to drop some productive comments or productive kind of rebuttals to their comments, especially if it's coming from a really dieting standpoint. Or like, I'm on the keto diet, I can't eat anything here except for gravy and turkey. What a sad Thanksgiving that would be. It would be terrible. Not that Thanksgiving gravy, turkey and gravy isn't good. Yes. Or stuffing, which we'll debate at the end if we call it stuffing or dressing. So spoiler on the bonus question today. Stay tuned for that wild ride. Yeah, I wrote an example on this of like even in my experience, I think Emily can relate to this too, that we were trained in a very weight centric method in college. And in the beginning of our practice, we also were counseling on weight loss for our clients because we didn't know any better. Like, we didn't fully believe in hays. We thought people who are in larger bodies are just lazy eating themselves to death. That whole spiel. So people, maybe not even intentionally, but like, on social media, we'd get little seeds or like little nuggets information about Hayes intuitive eating. And so we eventually kept learning about it. But if someone were to come up to us and try to argue with us about weight losses intuitive eating, it wouldn't have gone over well. The same thing kind of applies for you and your family members. While you might firmly believe what you believe in, and they probably do too, trying to change someone's mind really works as we discussed or experience with our comments that we get a lot of times, no use argument, people like that who aren't quite on the same page as you. Yeah. And it's also kind of gaging where that person is at sometimes people aren't going to change their mind no matter how many facts you put in front of them. And it's kind of like weighing the options of, is this worth putting my energy even into right now and planting those seeds? And I agree. I'm pretty sure actually some social medias have had come at us full on haze and we were like, what? Yeah. But as we saw it over and over and over again in little dosages or doses, we caught on. Yeah. And we decided we wanted to learn more about us. We did our own research, reading, and no one told us we had to do those things. We definitely still could be weight loss dietitians. There are plenty out there and what they're doing is their own thing. But no one tried to convince us, which was good because it probably wouldn't have gone over well. No, we would not. So let's go on to our next one. So our next one is that when someone does make comments and like we said, we'll go over a few scenarios, all that you can control is how you react to it. So what they say is not like you're choosing. You don't get to pick what they're saying to you, obviously. So all you really can control is how you're reacting when someone says something that doesn't quite rub you the right way. Yeah. And oftentimes they're projecting their own insecurities. It's not even about you. I would say nine times out of ten, it actually is. Like they have something going on with their body or the relationship with food or just where they are mentally and they see you maybe being doing something that in their rulebook is not allowed and then they project back. And I think it's okay because you're family or friends, which that's another foreshadowing to another thing we'll talk about. But it's important to not give them that power over you. Don't put in energy that's just not worth it. You can kind of talk about like at the time, do you want to deflect it right away? Is it something where you have a strong enough personality or you're at the point where you feel confident challenging them back? Or even like ramp for discussion? Like, we could talk about this a little bit more later to open up that space for discussion and conversation so that maybe they are in a place that they'd be a little bit more open to what you've been working on. But right now, at that moment, maybe there's not the time for it. Maybe it's an awkwardly in front of the entire gathering. That would be a weird like one V, one face off. I don't think we want that. Unless you're like I feel like we would do that with intuitive eating and everything these days. We would totally fight someone on it. Yes, but with any scenario that we'll go through today, like Emily was kind of alluding to, it's okay to just walk away and ignore it. That can be your solution to any of these at this point. If you're feeling comfortable with that and that only no, it's not your job to educate them. That's what we're kind of here for. Yeah. Refer to our podcast. That'd be a great thing to do. Yeah. Like, I've been listening to this really great podcast I think you should listen to. It super easy. We can control how we react, but we can't control other people. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, the oldest sibling in me does not like that one, but same true. So let's talk about the next one. We kind of talked about this a little bit already, but there's this weird stigma around relationships with our family members and friends, or more so family members, I would say, where you can kind of treat each other however you like just because you're blood related. And I feel like that holds some ground because at the end of the day, like my sister, for example, I always think of like I don't think she listens to the podcast. No, she definitely does. I'm going to film. But like we bully each other sometimes. But I know we're still going to be okay at the end of the day. But then if it's full on verbal abuse, then there's a line like, you can't just treat people terribly because they're family. That's not okay. It's not even just food related or comments about people's bodies. It's any situation. They are still a human being who deserve respect and kindness. Refer them to that section just there. Just like listen to minute twelve of episodes 76 of the dietitians. I think it'd be really beneficial for you. Sub tweet yeah. Don't tell them why you're referring them to it. Just tell us to listen to it and they'll catch the hint. Hopefully. Yeah. So if you're listening to this because you were told to listen to this minute of the podcast, be nice to your family members. And if not, don't get pissed when they cut you off because you're being a jerk. Family members don't owe you anything. No. And you guys know this, but we're going to reiterate it. If someone is working on their mental health, we should support them. Or just like working on trying to be a better person or just work on anything. Of course, as a degree, I always think of the obsessive side of it. But just like if someone's starting on something, let's not just argue with them because it's something different, right, than what we know. Yeah. I think of someone who maybe is starting a business that you may think is going to flop. Like maybe they're creating I can't even something weird right now, but something really ridiculous. A weird product you're like, that's not going to ever work out. They're not looking for your advice and like your business expertise. They're probably looking for your support. Something to talk about it with. They're very excited about a new venture. So no matter what they're working on, like, we got to support them in that versus trying to shut them down and make them feel silly or whatever it is. And they mostly just like want to share. Share with someone else. Yeah. People love talking about themselves. And that's the funny little thing about humans. We get to talk about our little journeys with everyone. It's kind of cute. Yeah. So be nice. Yeah. Be nice at family members. But at podcasters, if someone's mean to you yeah. I'm thinking some don't they do it. I'm thinking I'm like cut them off, beat them up. Don't do either. Don't beat them up. No physical harm. We don't advocate for that. Brush them off. There we go. Brush them off and walk away. Yeah.
Participant #1:
Okay. Let's go into the next one. Next one is all about I know we have a friend or family member like this who comments on your body or someone else's body, maybe that you've watched from a bird's eye view. Maybe someone says, like, oh, you've lost weight. You look so good. Or the other side of what's going on looks like you've gained some weight. No matter what the situation is, whether it's weight gain or weight loss, which, unfortunately, it usually ends up being, oh, you lost weight. That's a good thing. Oh, you gained weight. That's a bad thing. Even though it's not always the case, any comments about someone's body is just not good. I don't know how to put that. It has nothing to do with you. And also, it creates or supports the idea that losing weight is always a healthy thing for someone, and that's not always the case. So what we'd say for this one is, again, you can always ignore it. Like, just don't even acknowledge it, or just politely say, like, hey, I'd rather you not discuss my body. It's none of your concern. If you want to be really sassy, go for it and just say, like, skim the bird, maybe, I don't know, but whatever you're comfortable with as an Enneagram Nine, I would not be doing that. We're not going to be fighting because that makes me nervous. Yeah, but anyway, if someone's coming with your body, just either ignore it, ask them to stop, and if you're the person listening who does that, if you see someone and you're like, oh, you lost weight, you're looking great, what are you doing? How can I do what you're doing? Stop doing that. Don't do that. You don't know what the person is going through, why they have lost or gained weight, and frankly, it's not your concern. Nope. We're there to celebrate family and bonding, not changes in body types. It's like, the most boring thing in the world. I hate that it's always the same. Yes. It doesn't change. It's so boring. Like, people at work sometimes will say, like, oh, did you see so and so? Like, she lost so much weight. Like, what do I say to that? I literally could not care less. Yeah, I could not care less. What are your religious beliefs? Get into that that's more fun. Or literally anything else. Let's not talk about weight. Let's talk about religious controversy. What childhood trauma do you have that we can talk about? So you're talking about mental health more with your coworkers. So that's good. That's your contribution, which is very good. That's a huge amount of there. Have I told the story? I think I have one here. I think I told you. At least you where we were like, my coworkers are all, like, ten years older than me, and I love them, but mental health is, I don't think in a lot of cases, quite as talked about. So one time we were all out, we were, like, getting drinks, and I was like, a drink? And I'm like, I can just feel social anxiety melting away. And they looked at me like I was crazy. They're like, Why would you say that out loud? I'm like, oh, that's not like an old thing to say out loud. So I thought it was very weird that I was expressing my social anxiety outwardly. Yeah. No, I'm glad. We are much more upfront about mental health and whatnot. Even if it's a little bit we throw it out there. Makes it feel a little awkward sometimes. I know, but I kind of love it. I know. Let's talk about that next time someone's like, oh, you that person's changed. They'll be like, oh, let's talk about my mental health issues. I'm glad you broke it up. I actually lost all this weight because I'm severely depressed. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, I could really use some help, actually. That will really teach them not to comment on your body because we don't want you to be depressed. No. And weight that you lose while feeling depressed. I wouldn't say it's healthy weight loss. No. Our last kind of little tidbit. What? Just talking about talking about intuitive eating around. Like most family friends that might not be that supportive. We talked about this a little bit while ago. But you don't have to educate them and that's okay. Provide them with resources about into dividing so they can learn more. You don't have to shove it in their face. Like, here's a list of every social media dietitian you should follow, or the book or the workbook. And this podcast and this blog post, if they see one gauge just aren't even open to it because don't waste your time on people that don't want to listen to you or just want to hear themselves talk and then have a couple on hand maybe that you enjoy listening to. Hopefully this podcast is one of them because you are here listening. If not, our feelings won't be hurt. But intuitive eating diet me a little bit. Intuitive eating dietitians podcasts, blogs. Also, we have a blog, by the way. I don't know if we've ever talked about that. Probably not. We post pretty regularly on there. Yeah, we post like weekly about intuitive eating, exercise, general nutrition tips. So that's a really great resource. And then making sure that you're providing them with legitimate resources just so like not we don't think they're going to come around and like next holiday they'll be like, you showed me this resource and I debunked it. I don't think anyone cares that much. If not, they need hobbies. But making sure that whoever you're referring to is a credible source, as always, if we talk about dietitians in the field of nutrition in general. Yeah. I had an idea for the next section. Let me know if your game what if we like, roleplayed it? So like, one of us was the meaning, the other one was like the intuitive eater and they were like, saying the quotes that can be fun. Okay, I can go first with the one. I can like be the mean person. Okay. So we're going to go through sample situation. This feels like a test, case studies, like some class activity where we're presenting to the class right now. Yeah. Please grade us. Let us know. No, please don't do but only say nice things I want to hear. Meaning no mean comments. None of that allowed. Yeah, we get enough of those to you guys. The ones I care about is a little bit better. That's true. If it's a troll, I don't really care. No, you're a fan and you're saying things, man. We're letting you down. Anyway, let's talk about decisions before we talk about our feelings more. So here we go. I'm going to be the mean aunt Karen. Yeah. So I started doing this diet, and I just eat one meal a day. It's just kale. And then at the end of the day, if I'm still hungry, I get to sniff an almond. And then if I go to bed not hungry, then I actually have to punch someone in the face because I did something wrong. What do you think about that? I'm glad you're sharing that with me. Right now I'm working on trying to get out of the diet space. I'm not sure if wanting to punch someone at the end of the day is the best feeling, but that's my opinion. It makes you a little bit uncomfortable to say that you are starving yourself so much, but I'm going to continue eating my meals as my body tells me to, as my hunger cues tell me to
Participant #1:
you. Do you? I'm going to work up myself, though, and my mental health, and I don't know if doing something like that would be beneficial for me. There was something I was thinking about. I was about to say now I'm blankie. It literally had to do with what we just talked about. Do you have anything to say? Because there's nothing going on in my brain right now. I'm behind those eyes. Literally no thought. I think Emily did a good job giving, like, what's the word? Like you were respectful of her choice to do what she wants to do, but you were just explaining how you feel. Speaking your truth, I guess would be the way to say my RA training kicked in a little bit. And I was thinking use more I statements compared to you statements. So that's always something good to keep in mind so we don't feel as attacked. Yeah. I hope Karen stops sniffing elements. I'm sure that the dynamite does that, I guarantee. Oh, yeah. 100% you're acceptable or whatever. Oh, my gosh. I finally saw that. I saw an ad for it. Finally. Okay. What was the argument for? I don't know. It was just like a picture I saw, but it's like a magnet thing you put on your septum and it does some detox or weight loss or something. Yeah. So they're going to have, like, earrings for it. They're going to have, like, headphones. My God.
Participant #1:
Crazy. Okay, let's do the next one. I will be the Aunt Karen because Aunt Karen's a meanie for all of these. So, Hannah, I haven't seen you since 4 July. It's been so many months, and it looks like you gained a little bit of weight. Are you doing okay? I would just really appreciate it if we didn't comment on my body. There are way more interesting things we could discuss. Actually, since the 4 July, I ran six marathons. I ran for president. Oh, my God. I found the cure for cancer. So I feel like my body is the least interesting thing about me at this time. You know what? You're right. You're going to change lives. President Hannah Cancer Cure Marathon Six marathons in like, five months. You're right. That is being the President might be a little bit more interesting than your weight. First female president at the right age of 25. And we don't need any type of cancer treatment anymore because you cured it. Yeah. Longevity of humans just went up by like, 30 years. Yeah, I'm up through pants sizes, but cancer is cured. Seen, seen. Okay. I know at that one I was being a little silly and dramatic like I usually am, but you can seriously just, like, switch the topic. Like, talk about other things. Yeah, I think that's a good idea to talk about, like, what you like, obviously nonbody things going on. Like the functional victory of running a marathon, but also, like, the educational victory of curing cancer. I don't even know if any of us have political victories in mind, but political victory, definitely. That's the last I ever want in my entire life to be President. I would rather I don't know what's worse. I can't think of anything. I would rather be an astronaut, which also would be bad, than be president. I feel like astronaut being fun. Oh, my God. Going into, like, a place where there's literally no end, like, there's no boundaries. The ocean and space. The ocean is scary. Scares the crap out of me. Yeah. I feel like more the ocean or space? The ocean. Really? I asked Rob. He said space because there's, like, no end to it. I feel like only because if something were to sneak up on me in space, I'd accept it because I'm sure there's got to be aliens out there. There's no way. We're the only things that are alive. Oh, my gosh. Water tear. I don't like not being able to see. No, that's like, so dark down there. Ross and I always watch videos, YouTube videos about why would you know why? I literally swipe away on Tik tok. I get so scared. Like the big waves. No. So, yeah, I would either be an oceanographer is that the word? Or microbiologist. Yeah. Before I would be the president. Running a country with my nonconfrontational personality can you imagine and be like, take us over. I don't care. You own America now. You earned it. I would hate the popularity contest part of it where you have to win all these people over. I'd be like, I don't like you. I don't care if you don't like me. But you can't say that. No. You obviously want to get both.
Participant #1:
You will not catch us for president. We'll be doing this podcast forever as non presidential candidates. Yeah. Maybe we'll win things that you don't have to be voted for. I don't know what that is. I know. And then I feel like, did we earn it if no one actually voted for us to win it, that's okay. Okay, the next one, I get to be mean again. I love this. I'm usually not very mean, so it's always fun when I get to pretend. Oh, my God. Are you really going to eat all that? I see you've got pie, stuffing and carb food. Pie, stuffing. What else do we eat? Mashed potatoes on your plate? Do you know how many grams of carbs are in that and how you're going to get diabetes from that?
Participant #1:
I mean, I would never say what I just said either, but whoa,
Participant #1:
maybe I start laughing or maybe I just stare stunned. All right, I'm going to let's talk about what you just said. So these foods make me really happy. I'm not only eating for my physical health, but also my mental health. And these foods make me happy, so they help my mental health. I don't really like demonizing food because it makes me feel guilty after eating, and I've had really bad experiences with guilt after eating in the past, and I don't want to go down that route again. Carbs won't give you diabetes. I don't know if you're no, that's too sassy. I like that
Participant #1:
food doesn't really have a moral value. Food is just food, and this food makes me happy, and that's what I care about. I'm not going to eat like this every single day. And it's not very helpful to think about food that way and demonize it. This pie and this stuffing and mashed potatoes is not out to get us. It doesn't have a personal agenda to kill us. I'm going to enjoy my food, and I appreciate it if you didn't make comments about my food. You're welcome to another piece of pie if that might make you a little bit happier.
Participant #1:
That was good. It was quite a monologue. Aunt Karen just, like, walked away and everyone at the dinner table stopped eating and sat to listen to I just gave a Ted Talk. There's a lot of good nuggets, though, you can pull from on that one. That was good. Yeah. Obviously you don't have to say all of that. You could literally just say making comments about what I'm eating is not helpful. And no, carbs will not give you diabetes. No.
Participant #1:
Okay. Let me think. Going up. Forgetting food, setting the scene. Wow, that is a lot of pumpkin pie. I could never eat pumpkin pie. It's so bad for me. It causes me to gain £5 overnight. I could never eat pie at all. I'm going to stick to my Garcia sprouts, which are really good. You should try some instead of something of that pie
Participant #1:
that is like tickling me. That was so funny. And Karen, it is unhelpful to think of food in that way. The only time that pumpkin pie would be considered bad would be if it murdered our entire family. But I don't think it did that. So this pumpkin pie is morally neutral and it tastes delicious. So I'm going to go ahead and have your slice and mine since you're having Brussels instead. Can you say murder out? I also pulled a Schmidt move and said brussies. Aunt Sheeran. Aunt Karen is shige. She is like shaking her boots at this point. Pikachu shocked face. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. That's Aunt Garrett right now.
Participant #1:
OK, ready for the last one? Yes. I feel kind of already this one a little bit, but we'll do it in a more intentional fashion. I'm so glad of Thanksgiving and I can't whatever I want because the calories don't count on Thanksgiving. And if I get fat today, who cares? It's Thanksgiving. It's allowed. One meal isn't going to change your entire health composition. It makes me a little bit uncomfortable to hear you say that because I don't think there's anything wrong with that, people. And also you joking about that is really insensitive. And where was the joke? Explain it to me. That's classic. Was it people being fat? You're telling me that being fat is a punchline for you? Yeah. I don't get it. Is that just playing it? I don't get it. I love playing dumb. Yeah, I don't get it. Can you say it again? Yeah, I'm not repeating that. No. Everyone gathered. Mount Karen has a funny joke to share.
Participant #1:
If you like public humiliation, that's good. That's a good way to go. Yeah. Really bring the attention on them. Make someone comfy. Gather around. All right. Hopefully gather around. Family. Let's hear so big jokes for Aunt Karen. So we hope that something you heard in one of our scenarios was helpful. Whether it was more of a sassy approach or just a like deflective approach of let's get out of this conversation as soon as possible. Either works. Either works. Whatever fits. Personality fits the dynamic. Just know that you don't have to put up with it. Nope. The last little section we want to go over just real quickly a little bit more into how if you're listening, how you can support those that you may know who are trying to be or they're working on their intuitive eating journey. So maybe you're not the one struggling with their working on it, but you're the one. Supporting the family member who has a history of dieting and they're working on it and all of that. So our first one is to simply not talk about your diet. And I said that applies whether, you know, someone is working on intuitive eating or not. Just like, don't talk about it ever because it's literally so boring and who cares? But also, it could be very triggering for someone who is truly working on their relationship with food as well. Yeah, it's not going to help anyone. Also, don't be the food police. This is something that you've probably worked on by yourself, but also hopefully by yourself. But also those thoughts of, like, policing other people's food decisions isn't helpful. Or just making those comments like we even had in the different scenarios, like, oh, I can never eat that, or, that's a bad food, my diet wouldn't coincide with that, or, wow, that's going to make me gain £5 overnight. Those comments just aren't helpful and aren't going to help them either. Or you. Yeah, it's not going to help anyone. Yeah. Next one is challenging. I felt like challenging their comments whether that means the person who is struggling and working on those with food, like, if they say things that you notice maybe aren't the great mindset. Like, if they say, oh, I shouldn't have this pie because I'll get diabetes, that kind of thing, maybe you challenge them kindly and say, like, oh, actually, why do you say that? Let's talk about it. Or if you notice, like, Aunt Karen and Emily are talking and Aunt Karen's being a bully about Emily's food choices, like, you could always challenge Aunt Karen's words and be the third party for Emily as well. Stand up for each other. Yeah. And last thing to know is to trust the experts. We don't want to push on to others. What works for you? This goes for not only a dieting space, like, this diet works for me, but it also goes for an intuitive eating space. Like, everyone's at a different place. Everyone starts at a different place, everyone moves at a different pace. Maybe what works for you might not work for them. And that's okay. There isn't a one way to go. There isn't a cookie crutter way to go about intuitive eating. There is a lot of nuance with it. And that's okay. We should support them in whatever area they're at in their journey, and that's all we can do. We don't want to dictate their progress or belittle any of their progress just because it's different from our own journey. Yeah, precisely. So our bottom line today, unfortunately, as we go into holidays and family gatherings, it's likely that someone in the family or friend group, if you do friends giving, has some kind of diet culture mindset, unless you hang out with RDS like we do a lot of times, but likely someone's going to have comments like this. And so focusing on just what's best for you is always top priority, not only in this scenario, but pretty much all the time. So don't be afraid to change the subject. You can always challenge their thoughts and beliefs if you feel comfortable doing so, of course, in a way that's not rude, back to them. And then, like I said, the beginning minimize your reactions. No point in, like, giving them the satisfaction of reacting in the way they want you to react if they say something bad about your body or your food choices or whatever. Yeah. Good luck. You got this. Yeah. And if it doesn't go like you wanted to go, that's fine. Yeah. You did the best you can. As long as you're okay at the end of the night. That's what we're concerned about. Well, I've got a duo bonus question today. A two for one holiday special. Let's do stuffing one first because I feel like we probably agree on that one a little bit more because I don't know your answer to the first one. I don't know yours either. Okay. Do you call stuffing or dressing stuffing? I've never heard anyone say dressing. Is this like a whole nother, like, bread and butter pickle thing or do you know what dressing is? Like, they call it that sometimes. Are you talking about, like, wet stuffing? I've heard, like, this is the same thing. Stuffing and dressing, I just have heard used interchangeably. I've never heard that what you would think. We lived in different countries sometimes, even though we're like state to state, I know we share a border. Yeah, I've heard it called either. I think it's a regional thing, but we would have called stuffing. So I guess that's all that matters. We agreed. Yeah. Okay. Bigger question. Do you prefer turkey or ham Thanksgiving or Christmas or whatever? I'm a strong turkey advocate. I do not think ham belongs anywhere near Thanksgiving. What? Because with my I don't even know if I want to say religious views because we know how often I go to church. I associate ham with, like, Christmas and Easter. Yeah, I can see that. Kind of like turkeys Thanksgiving. I do agree with that part. I definitely see it that way too. But I get a little bit sad when there's no ham at Thanksgiving because I think turkey is so boring. Also done really well. Yeah. Like, my grandpa will do it in his smoker and that's really good, but turkey has such a high probability of being boring and dry. That's short and gravy. In that case, I would always choose ham. Yeah, that's fair. I would not go out of my way probably to eat turkey just because of, like, I find it a little bit boring, but with gravy and everything else that comes with it, I love, like, putting it on sandwiches and like, adding it to, like, pasta dishes of leftovers. I like turkey. I'll eat turkey. Obviously, but if there's turkey there and ham there, I'm choosing ham every single time. I agree with that. Except for Thanksgiving. Except for that. But you bring up some good points that I can't I can't dispute. Well, thanks. That was either than usual. I guess we're not very passionate about Thanksgiving. Although I'm fairly holidays for Thanksgiving, so I don't know why really about this. I think it is I don't really know. I don't have favorites of anything, as you know. Sure you don't have anything? Let's just say I like Thanksgiving. A lot of Thursday. Yes. Well, happy holidays everyone. Yeah, we're in a very exciting time. Hannah and I thrive during this time. We hope you are thriving as well. Make sure you eat lots of good food. Make sure you bring home leftovers so you can experience it again or make like a Thanksgiving sandwich. Those are always fun. So good. And we'll see you next week. See you next week. Happy holidays. Happy holidays. Gobble, gobble. Nope. Nope.
