Episode 106: Bigorexia: A Symptom of Gym Bro Culture and Muscular Dysmorphia w/ Leslie Bonci

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In this episode of The Up-Beet Dietitians podcast, Emily and Hannah are joined by Sports Dietitian, Leslie Bonci. Leslie dives into Bigorexia and how it affects male athletes, specifically. She dives into who is most likely to struggle with it and some common characteristics that someone who struggles with Bigorexia may develop. With her experience as an NFL dietitian, Leslie shares how even the most elite athletes can struggle with their bodies. Tune in for more!

Leslie is a registered dietitian and board certified specialist in sports dietetics who works with athletes and active people of all levels and abilities through advice that is attainable, maintainable and sustainable with a side of snark and sass!

More about Leslie Bonci

Websites: www.activeeatingadvice.com and http://performance365.org

Instagram: @boncilj

Facebook and Twitter: @lesliebonci

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welcome back to a brand new episode of
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the up-beet dietitians podcast today we
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are joined by a very special guest we're
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joined by Leslie bonci current Sports
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dietitian of the Kansas City Chiefs uh
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Super Bowl champs I don't know a lot
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about football so I'm feeling kind of
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awkward saying that I just like
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stuttered over my words but very
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exciting for those of you who are Chiefs
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fans
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um Leslie is going to talk with us today
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all about something called bigorexia
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Leslie is the owner of eating advice and
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the co-founder of performance 365. she
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is a registered dietitian a board
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certified specialist in sports dietetics
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and she works with athletes and active
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people of all levels and abilities
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through advice that is attainable
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maintainable and sustainable with the
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side of snark and Sass we are so excited
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for today's episode
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enjoy enjoy
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hello Leslie welcome to the podcast
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we're so excited to have you here
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I am so thrilled to be here and talking
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about something that is a topic that
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people need to know more about and
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something that I deal with on a regular
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basis cool we already if you already
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tuned and you already saw the title so
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you know what we're talking about today
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but Leslie give us kind of some
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background about who you are and like
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what you do Day in the Life
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um work experience past education
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Hobbies
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um before we get into the nitty-gritty
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of bigger Rexy and whatnot let the
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listeners know kind of who you are and
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whatnot okay all right well you know I
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am what I would say a fossil in the
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dietetics field that being said succinct
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but not extinct old and bold yes so I've
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been a registered dietitian for a long
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time for upwards of 40 Years also a
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board certified specialist in sports
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dietetics so a lot of my career has been
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working with professional Collegiate
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Olympic High School athlete Club Athlete
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Performance artist so pretty much every
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sport every venue every type
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um and one of the one of the things that
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I've always found very interesting is
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that okay it's just women that might
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have issues surrounding body wrong wrong
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wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong when we
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talk about that today that there's a lot
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of men that are affected too by their
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body looks my undergrad degree is in
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Psychology so I think it served me very
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very well in working with my clients to
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really get beyond the plate and really
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take a deep dive and really think about
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all the things that happened before you
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do the hand to mouth activity and this
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is certainly a prime example of that
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so my specialty area performed nutrition
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I use that word oversport because
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everybody defines that differently uh
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digestive disorders because a lot of
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people that are active have guts that
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aren't happy and so how do we reconcile
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that
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um dealing with issues surrounding
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physique however we Define that to be of
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people not being satisfied with the way
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their bodies are and wanting to make
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some changes and also General Wellness
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or I would say the real people I work
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with are not necessarily The Surreal
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people that are a lot of my audience at
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the end of the day everybody deserves to
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nourish their body well without the
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blame without the shame it's just taking
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all of that out of the equation and
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finding that recipe to optimize every
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day wow chef's kiss mines to say my goal
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now is to have such an amazing elevator
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pitch like that that was just great I
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love that
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well I feel like you did a great job of
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kind of giving some sneak peeks what
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we're going to get into so let's get
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right into it
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um again as the title says begorexia is
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the chat today so let's first start by
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defining that like what the heck even is
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biggerxia
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so big oraxia is actually uh it is one
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of the components of muscle dysmorphia
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so muscle dysmorphia meaning that people
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are not satisfied with the way that
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their body looks and in this particular
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case it's not being big enough not being
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muscular enough and you might think well
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that's ridiculous you know big nobody
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wants to be big if you have this yes you
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do and you can look what you see when
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you look in the mirror is not
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necessarily what is real I think very
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very similar to what we might see with
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individuals that have anorexia sometimes
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what they perceive to be is not
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necessarily what is so you know
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relatively trying to lift more consume
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more protein It's never enough there's
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always should be pushing it to the next
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level and I will I've seen this at my
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professional with my professional
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athlete I've seen it at a Collegiate
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level I have some high school athletes
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that I'm working with right now now for
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whom this is an issue as well
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yeah I wanted to ask if you saw this
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quite a bit with
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um I guess all athletes but specifically
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I was curious about like the
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professionals like is this a pretty big
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issue with a lot of them well you know I
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I worked with the Pittsburgh Steelers I
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am from Pittsburgh so I worked with them
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for 24 years and they decided to go a
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different direction so did I I went to
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the chief so no bitter feelings I think
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I got the better deal out of all that
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but none of it is that every Friday with
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shirts off Friday for lifting this is
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just what the Steelers did and the way
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that the weight room is if you're doing
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free weights like huge mirrored wall so
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unless you were closing your eyes which
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wasn't advised because you smack
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somebody in the mouth with the way then
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you could see yourself and you could see
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yourself next to another body and so you
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know some of the guys flexing buff and
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shredded and ripped and toned and other
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guys a little bit of Wiggle going on so
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you know for the guys that were already
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I think of the physique they wanted some
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of them and we're saying I gotta get
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bigger for those who weren't quite there
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are saying ah man I better work harder
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to get there so not necessarily A
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positive experience plus it's on a
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Friday you're getting ready to compete
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on the weekend this is really the last
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thing you want to be doing is checking
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out everybody around you and saying I'm
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not good enough when really at that
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point you should be all about hey we are
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united as a team to get ready to do our
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business someday yes I I can just like
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kind of hear the comments we're gonna
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get kind of like trickling it in my head
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already and I think those who maybe
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don't quite understand the
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what's the word like the danger of
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bigoraxia I would say like oh what's the
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problem like they're just trying to get
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bigger and stronger so I guess what
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would you say to someone who kind of
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comes back with that approach
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well it there's nothing wrong with
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trying to improve one's body up to a
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certain point the problem is that when
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this becomes obsessive so when this
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becomes obsessed I can't take a day off
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because oh no all my muscle will go away
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now the three of us know that's not
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going to happen but does somebody in the
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throes of this it's not what they think
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it's an ultimatum I just can't afford to
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take time off if I wake up tomorrow my
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biceps will be gone all right so we have
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that first issue of overuse injury if
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you were going to lift seven days a week
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and there's no rest recovery for the
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body then you certainly increase that
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risk of injury
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secondly is the hours spent well if I'm
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lifting for an hour and then now let's
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make it two let's make it three well
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what if you're a college student now you
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know I'm going to blow off those classes
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because I got to go lit hey I was going
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to go out on a date now not going to do
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that I gotta go live oh my friends want
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to go out to dinner whoa can't do that I
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don't know what it is they're having and
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I've got to get in that extra protein
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shake and I have to make sure that I'm
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not missing any of those reps and so
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very very isolating very much increasing
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the risk of injury and also very very
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skewed about the intake
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um the young athlete that I'm working
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with right now who's actually in a
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facility working on getting himself
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better so it's a good good intervention
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with neither but it like so much protein
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and I need more and I need a protein
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powder and I need BCAAs and I need to
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have creatine and I'm going to do that
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for the exclusion of all else well a
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then you have an imbalance in which
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you're eating B there's that rate
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limiting step if you're just consuming
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protein and you're not consuming any
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carbohydrate so you know this is a huge
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huge problem and then see you're
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spending copious amounts of money with
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very expensive urine but that's not
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where somebody's head is I know that if
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I have more protein that's going to make
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me bigger oh man look at the picture of
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that ripped bicep that looks like a
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three trunk on the front of the
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container I will look like that too if I
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do that and you know the other thing
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certainly a concern with our younger
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athletes is they may not be done growing
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yet they may not be at that Tanner stage
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of development is going to allow their
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body to get that degree of big so then
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it's frustration
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I've been lifting and that didn't work
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well maybe I'll take something
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not necessarily creatine maybe I'll take
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that's on the marketplace or something
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that I can order that may be an anabolic
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steroid and then there are certainly
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other concerns that come along with that
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so it's like red flag danger danger all
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over the place and so it's not just
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lighting that behavior oh good for you
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it's like whoa whoa let's put this into
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perspective and then the other guy will
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tell you and certainly in these past
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couple of years is the wonderful world
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of Zoom but Zoom dysmorphia right
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because it's just constant everybody's
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been on their screens all that we're
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checking yourself out you're comparing
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yourself to everything you see be it
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real or surreal and when we're looking
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at somebody on a screen how do we know
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if it's real or not ladies this is as
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real as it gets it like real but you
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know it isn't always that way there's no
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Photoshop going on over here but
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oftentimes there is and so for those
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very very impressionable individuals
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it's another concern so they are looking
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to have an ideal that really doesn't
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exist but yet that is what they're
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striving for
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I didn't even think about the zoom
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component like because I know with the
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pandemic and everything we were all like
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inside and scrolling on your social
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media and that you're constantly looking
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but
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you're also just staring at people and
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then yourself you're not typically
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staring I don't think people are
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typically staring at themselves as much
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but teach their own
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but that is such a big component of it
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and especially in the like young
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impressionable ages and I'm glad you
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also brought up when they're growing
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that component of it because
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we oftentimes talk about like Jim bro
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culture a lot
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and when
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we don't really touch on like the
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athletic side of it as much but like
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especially from like the high school
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athlete to Collegiate to professional it
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sounds like there's like a lot of it
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like seeps in to that like even if they
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have like the professional help of like
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a sports dietitian and a sports
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psychologist
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they're still at risk of
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having these like psychological welfares
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with themselves
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yeah and and it's the competition right
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and think okay that's just healthy
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friendly competition well not always and
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it really depends upon how somebody
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interprets it some people are just fine
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with that and they they kind of know
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what their upper limit is but for those
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that are vulnerable for those that are
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dissatisfied there is no upper limit
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well I could be better you know I can
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push myself to do more and then all of a
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sudden there may be some problems that
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occur as a result of it and you know
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honestly that we have kids that are
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lonely where's your support you know who
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who is there that you turn to it might
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be that individual that you follow on
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Zoom or people that you work with at the
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zoom or at the at the gym or a trainer
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or whatever maybe parents are busy maybe
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parents are not even aware of what's
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going on until a problem has developed
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yes and speaking of all that this will
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take an extra like hour of our time
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today but I would love to know your
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thoughts on the whole liver King thing
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we recorded like a little series of that
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back a few months ago but we won't get
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into it because I'm sure that's just a
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whole can of worms but that's exactly
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what I think of when I think of
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impressionable High School College age
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boys who are using him as like a role
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model and it's all about bigger bigger
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bigger bigger all the time well you know
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because I always when I am talking to my
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audiences and even working with teams or
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working with individuals to buy four Ps
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so p number one is physiology and
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certainly for young athletes there's
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something to be said for those Tanner
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stages of development if you're not
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there yet guess what you're not going to
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be there until your body is where it
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needs to be and if you push push push
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push too much you may be delaying that
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uh debility ability to mature because
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you're just incurring more stress as a
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result so that's issue number one two is
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physique and we know not all bodies are
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going to be the same that's the way that
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it is not everybody's going to be that
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same height not everybody's going to
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have that same frame size there are
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things that we can control and things
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that we cannot control and the variable
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that oftentimes one is controlling
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manipulating fluid intake not always
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good is manipulating muscle mass good
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and bad but again there's an upper limit
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to how it is that that can happen then
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we have the performance aspect strength
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speed stamina recovery injury prevention
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and biggerxia kind of way not
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necessarily more strength if you're not
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doing everything you need to yes
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increase risk of injury longer to
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recover you have delayed sleep all those
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things that can happen and then
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practicality and so to answer your
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question about the liver cane uh
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practical
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I don't think so is first of all you
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know kind of like do the math and look
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at the science and really think about
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this even if somebody said I'm just
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eating animal Source Foods all the time
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or meat all the time like all right
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there's an upper limit for the amount of
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muscle that you were going to put on
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because you need to have carbohydrate as
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part of it and then it's like oh let's
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peel away the layers anabolic steroids
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and so you know it's just one of those
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things I've worked in this area long
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enough remember one of my strength
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coaches saying you can always tell when
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you look at the delts and you look at
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the width of that delt it's like what is
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natural and what is not or oh my neck is
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the size of a tree trunk that's not the
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way most people's necks are and so those
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are some of those little giveaways and
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then certainly the other issues we worry
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about with steroids like death I mean
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this is a problem I'm not joking it is a
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huge huge problem the Roid Rage all
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these types of things it can be so
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incredibly dangerous so every time
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there's somebody out there though those
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are the influencers as far as I'm
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concerned it's like tick off it just
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ticks me off it's like get out delete go
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away
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sinfluencers I love that I love that too
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oh my gosh
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oh yeah it's that's a whole other thing
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yeah we recorded like two three episodes
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on it because there was a whole can of
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worms that's just it's a it's a lot it's
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a lot I want to hear so we've talked a
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lot about like symptoms and
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characteristics of bigoraxia and then
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like maybe if some parents are listening
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or like even other people who are like
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friends with people who they might be
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like see some of these behaviors it
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might be concerned about them what are
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some of the risk factors that play the
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most into big erexia that might put
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someone at a little bit more risk yeah I
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mean certainly
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um somebody's spending a lot of time
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alone if somebody is already having
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issues around low self-esteem that's a
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big one uh you know somebody who's
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constantly been like complaining or
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voicing things about body or you know I
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don't like the way clothes fit or I mean
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I could be doing more I think that all
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those kinds of things should be uh you
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know should be some some little red
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flags and then also I think for people
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in the house
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you have to be aware of what's going on
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with your kids what are they you know
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let's not walk around blindfolded let's
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actually pay attention at the table put
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the phone away see what your kids are
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doing have them at the table oh just
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eating protein oh that might be a little
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bit of an issue or constantly asking to
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buy protein powders or whatever I mean
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most kids are not always having uh money
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to buy things so they got to ask is as
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parents you know sometimes they have to
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be the bad guy
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I am a parent and I am a grandparent too
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I'm not never a bad person to my
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grandchildren because they can have
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everything but for my own kids but
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like okay because I knew like no we're
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not going to do that because there are
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things that I'm worried about so
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involvement is really really key we
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don't have to be friends with our kids
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we do have to be parents to our kids and
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that means providing good guidance to
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them I love that well I think the the
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secondary part to that question then
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would be if either a parent sees a kid
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struggling or maybe someone sees a
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friend struggling like Emily had said or
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if maybe they see themselves struggling
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with this what would be
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some tips you could give to kind of
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overcome this and work through biggerxia
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yeah and and I you know I when I no
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matter what somebody's dealing with is
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it is perfectly fine and okay to say I'm
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worried about you if the first thing we
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have to do is we have to establish
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Rapport and gain trust and that's not
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right away pointing a finger and
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accusing what are you doing why are you
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doing that so much is you know I'm
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really worried about you just seem like
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a little edgy you just seem a little bit
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more tense you just seem more sad you
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just don't seem like yourself can you
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tell me what what's going on I mean
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that's that's got to be the start to all
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of this again we don't want to
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necessarily be bad guys but I think
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sometimes it's really important to
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enforce some rules about this and say no
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I'm not going to go to the gym seven
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days a week if we have a parent whose
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child is working with a personal trainer
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talk to that personal trainer ask them
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what it is that they're doing for
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heaven's sakes their services aren't
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free it's come on we have to be part of
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that solution and say you know look it's
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going to be maybe four times a week Max
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and I really want you to take a look at
18:28
my child what you're recommending for
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them because I am really worried about
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this so again we have to be active
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participants in what's going on with our
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kids not just hanging around in the
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background absolutely cannot do that and
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then I think as well the need for
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therapy I mean not everybody does but if
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the majority of people that are dealing
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with issues around muscle dysmorphia and
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specifically big araxia can't handle it
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themselves
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even if a parent is professionally a
18:59
therapist hands off when it comes to our
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own kids absolutely cannot do that is
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yes the finding is kind of like what I
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would say this is the pit crew right the
19:09
people that surround that athlete so a
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therapist a sports dietitian not
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registered diet you have to have
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somebody who understands activity
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otherwise it's not going to go anywhere
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and I do think that it is critically
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important for the PCP to be involved
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let's do some blood work make sure that
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everything is within normal limits or if
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it's out of limits got to find that out
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we don't like surprises on the back end
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or unintended consequences yeah I mean
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it sounds so similar to any other eating
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disorder like having a
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multi-disciplinary team in place is
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going to be so key for that recovery
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well it is and you know this is not a
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badge of honor oh good for me the bigger
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I am the better I am it's like no and
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that's not and the answer is not okay
19:54
never again go and live but
19:56
that's how we lose trust right away that
19:58
doesn't work but the purpose of working
20:02
with somebody is to get it out of our
20:04
own head and let somebody else provide
20:06
the guidelines tell me how often I can
20:09
live show me what it is I'm supposed to
20:12
eat what else can you recommend are
20:15
there any supplements that would help
20:17
and complement what I'm doing and not be
20:19
a deterrent in any way shape or form we
20:22
are supposed to be the Fountain of
20:23
Knowledge and as the as the
20:26
professionals we have to interact with
20:28
each other so it looks like a united
20:30
front well my PCP said this and want to
20:31
know but the trainer said there's
20:32
another psychologist said this like
20:34
absolutely wrong because then again that
20:37
person's right out the door and they
20:38
will never come back again
20:40
yep I've seen that happen in outside of
20:43
Sports Nutrition like just different
20:45
providers with different nutrition
20:47
recommendations it just does not go very
20:49
well
20:51
go well my rule of thumb is always and
20:53
it's just my personality is I need to
20:55
make my client laugh and I mean part of
20:58
that is because right away detention
21:00
goes away right if you're smiling if
21:02
you're laughing then you're not
21:04
like oh okay well anyway I'm out of out
21:07
of my mind I'm crazy it's just the way
21:09
it is but that's my way of gaining trust
21:11
and if I do that I mean I I would say
21:14
it's like you know stop getting to know
21:16
you getting to know all about you that
21:18
we might do that a session or two before
21:20
we even start to talk about protein
21:22
intake is the first thing out of my
21:23
mouth that person's out the door I gotta
21:26
find the common ground with them what do
21:28
you want to talk about what are your
21:29
concerns how can I be of help to you so
21:32
but I always say you know we're not
21:34
writing the screenplay they are our goal
21:36
is to tweak it our goal is to edit it
21:38
not to author it and so it is really
21:41
important that we listen and then we can
21:45
respond not the other way around exactly
21:48
food police badge off
21:52
I feel like we talked about so many
21:54
great things and you've provided us with
21:57
such a wealth of knowledge and also say
21:59
everything so well I feel like the way
22:02
you pitch everything I'm like oh my gosh
22:04
yes
22:05
tacking that away for later but
22:08
we're at kind of the point where we like
22:11
to kind of like jokingly say
22:13
if our listeners were to listen to one
22:16
part of the episode and you could sum it
22:18
all up or like give them one last piece
22:21
of knowledge advice information whatever
22:23
it is to leave them with what would you
22:27
want to say about all this
22:28
what I would say is that we all only get
22:31
one body in this life you know there's
22:33
organs that can be transplanted entire
22:35
bodies can and so rather than be the
22:38
enemy with ourselves let's find the way
22:40
to be the Ally we don't have to love
22:43
everything about our bodies each and
22:45
every day but at the end of the day are
22:47
we paying attention to our moves are we
22:49
paying attention to our shoes are we
22:51
paying attention to our snooze all those
22:53
things are equally important so it's all
22:56
about the nurture not the torture with
22:59
permission over Omission just like
23:01
amazing phrase catchphrase catchphrase I
23:04
love it I'm like getting so much of the
23:06
out of this I just love it well Leslie
23:09
before we get into our bonus question
23:10
which by the way for our listeners if
23:12
you want to hear a bonus question with
23:13
Leslie be sure to join the beat Deets
23:15
bonus segment and we will have that
23:16
available for you but before we do if
23:18
listeners listening to this episode only
23:20
will you please let them know where they
23:22
can find you if they want to learn more
23:24
okay so my website is
23:27
activeeatingadvice.com I am on Instagram
23:30
at bonclj Facebook and Twitter at
23:34
lesliebontzi
23:36
love it we will have it all in the show
23:38
notes for you guys to check out well
23:40
thank you for tuning in today's episode
23:42
everyone thank you so much Leslie for
23:44
joining us this was an absolute pleasure
23:46
we were oh I don't think we even said
23:48
this during the recording we said this
23:50
off here but Leslie presented at fincy
23:54
this past October 2022 and Hannah and I
23:57
were absolutely stoked by your fan girl
24:02
presentation we were and we're like oh
24:04
my gosh do we think we could get her on
24:06
the podcast so we're like let's see and
24:08
it was just so fun to bring you back on
24:11
and hear you talk about something you're
24:14
so passionate about and this is
24:15
something we've never talked about big
24:17
eraxia before so I know that our
24:20
listeners will absolutely take away so
24:22
much from this thank you for having me
24:24
thanks for listening guys we will see
24:26
you next week otherwise have a great
24:28
rest of your day thanks guys bye

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