Episode 60: How to Manage Diabetes with a Non-Diet Approach with Danielle Bublitz

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In this episode of The Up-Beet Dietitians podcast, Emily and Hannah are joined by intuitive eating specialist and registered dietitian nutritionist, Danielle Bublitz. Danielle dives into the different types of diabetes, what causes diabetes (spoiler alert: not sugar), and how diabetes can be treated, especially from a nutrition standpoint. Danielle debunks multiple myths around diabetes and shares how food freedom can be incorporated while managing diabetes. Lastly, Danielle shares how the weight bias issue in healthcare influences diabetes care and emphasizes the importance of a weight-inclusive approach. We highly recommend listening to this episode, especially with all the misinformation surrounding diabetes care and treatment.

Danielle Bublitz, MS, RDN, is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist and Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor. She specializes in working with people with diabetes and binge eating in a Health At Every Size(R)-aligned lens Danielle is passionate about guiding her clients with diabetes towards feeling more at peace with their food decisions, blood sugar management, as well as making peace with their bodies.

Be sure to follow Danielle @foodfreedomdiabetes!

Participant #1:
Hello everyone. We are joined by a very special guest. Daniel Bublitz is a registered dietician, nutritionist and Certified Intuitive Eating counselor. She specializes in working with people with diabetes and binge eating in a health at every size aligned lens. Danielle is passionate about guiding her clients with diabetes towards feeling more at peace with their food decisions, their blood sugar management, as well as making peace with their bodies. Thank you guys for tuning in today. We hope you enjoy.
Participant #1:
Oh, gosh, Danielle. Welcome to the podcast. Hey, thanks so much for having me. Yes, we are so glad you are here. We always like to have our guests start by giving us a breakdown of a day in the life, what you do for work, education, hobbies, all that fun, juicy stuff. So talk us through it. Yeah. So I currently live in Southern California. I'm a registered dietitian. I went to school, I did my undergrad at Chico State in Northern California. And then I did my master's and my Dietetic internship at Cal State Northridge. I worked for quite a few years as a clinical dietitian and I did a little bit of private practice on an eating disorder focused practice. And as of November this past year, I started my own business, which is Food Freedom Diabetes. So it's very exciting because I just have I'm somebody that's been living with type one diabetes for 16 years now, and I could see how problematic and how much diet culture has, like, infiltrated the diabetes realm. And so it's been my passion to help people. And I've been doing that since November. And I would say some of the things I like to do for fun at this point in my life. I love hiking. I have a really cute Australian Shepherd. We go to the park. She's like my bud. So we just go do stuff in nature, which is great. And when I'm at home, I'm watching all the Disney stuff. I'm watching Star Wars. So kind of, like, love that stuff, too. So relaxing and then being outdoors are like, my jam. Sounds like you, Emily. I know. I was going to say I feel like we're best friends. Yes. I love this. And we were already friends before we were six friends. Now it's official. We're officially best friends. That's all right. You can be the new cohost. You're now the official third cohost. Perfect. Ready? I am so excited to have you on here. I feel like I just see so much about diabetes online. And every time I'm like, no. And then I'm like, I must refer. And I always think of I think I've tagged you in a couple of things, definitely. But people, it's wild. The fad diets and like, die culturesque recommendations I've seen with diabetes, I'm like, oh, my gosh, yeah, it's problematic for sure. You would not realize it either. You know, it's like, I think I honestly didn't see how bad it was until I had, like, pursued my own journey with, like, intuitive eating and working on recovering from binge eating. It's like, I just didn't see how problematic it was until I was on the outside looking in like, this is a dumpster fire. That's the perfect descriptor. Yeah. Well, this is our first time on the show talking about diabetes. So would you please do us the honor of kind of walking us through what diabetes is, the different types, what causes it, how's it diagnosed, all that kind of big picture stuff. Yeah. So with diabetes, either you are somebody whose pancreas no longer produces insulin. And so for somebody with, like, a normal functioning pancreas, your body, you eat the food, the carbs, they break down into glucose, and your body produces insulin, a hormone that's going to bring the blood sugar into the cells for energy. When you have diabetes, either the first one, your pancreas is no longer making insulin. Therefore, that blood sugar is just staying in the bloodstream or your insulin is not being used efficiently. So that can be more of like an insulin resistance. So there's kind of like those two, but there's actually quite a few types of diabetes that aren't talked about enough. So I kind of want to give a little spiel on that as well. So type one, that's insulin dependent. So you need to take insulin injections or have a pump. Type two, you struggle with insulin resistance. So usually treatment for that is taking medication that can be helpful to make the insulin go into the cells easier. There's also type three C diabetes. I'm not sure if you guys have heard of that, but like, tiny bit. Okay. So a lot of times if somebody goes through, like, pancreatitis really long period of time or has their pancreas removed, they may end up developing type three C, and they have to take, like, pancreatic enzymes and insulin. So that's another form of diabetes. Another one is called Modi, which is a genetic mutation. And with Modi, what's interesting is your body is still producing insulin, but not a lot. And sometimes they have to be on multiple treatments. So that's an additional one. And then there's also later or type one and a half, which I feel like I learned about in school a little bit, but that is like an onset that happens later on in life. Like, you could be diagnosed in your thirty s, and it kind of seems like type two. But over time, the person will need to take insulin. Like, it's a for sure you're going to need to take insulin later on, but it's a very slow progression of diabetes. So I think it's important to recognize that there's more than two types of diabetes. And as you can see, there's all these different things happening in the body that make it complex. And to give you a general idea of how people get diagnosed when you get your blood work done, a hemoglobin, a onec test, which essentially it's just like a three month average of where your blood sugars have been at. If that is greater than 6.5, that is in the diabetes range. If it's below that, you could be in a range where it's maybe like pre diabetic, but typically above 6.5. That signals that something's going on in the body and you probably do have diabetes and need to find a treatment. Thank you for sharing all the different types. I'm sure you know more than I do that people always assume it's just the two. And I think they even kind of maybe don't even know there's two different types and kind of just like generally say, oh, you've got diabetes, and they kind of just make general claims about it. When there are so many types, so many causes, it's way more than just the two types. So thanks for sharing all that. Yeah. And I think, too, there's a lot of stigma behind diabetes in general and so much like misunderstanding where people assume like, oh, did you get the good type or the bad type of diabetes? Did you get the kind that you should have controlled? And I hate that question. Makes me so angry. Well, I'm sure your clients love having you as someone who goes through this way on your own, you experience it. I'm sure they totally appreciate having someone who is kind of in their shoes in some certain ways. I think, like, we had Jamie on a bariatric dietician, and she was discussing how her clients totally resonate with her, too, because she's had the surgery and so everyone's on the same page. So I'm sure that your clients just totally love being heard in that way. Yeah. It kind of feels like an instant connection in its own way because it's like we both have this experience. I think a lot of people like eating disorder recovery when they work with a team that has also experienced there's, like, this connection of like, okay, you understand it on a different level. Not that someone that doesn't have diabetes can't be an excellent dietician for them, but I think that level of, like, literally also struggled with that yesterday. I think that it brings this connection. I think we kind of talked about a little bit, but let's talk about what causes diabetes, because this, I feel like, gets a lot diabetes gets a lot of stigma around it. And most often times I see online it's like you ate too much sugar, or I'll see people make jokes about like, that's going to give me diabetes. So what actually causes diabetes? Not sugar. If sugar cause diabetes. We would all have diabetes. Yes, we would all have it. Diabetes again, like, just even breaking down, like, either not producing insulin or having insulin resistance. It's like that's what's going on in the body. It's not related to the sugar part of it. So the different things that can actually cause diabetes. Genetics is a huge component. If you have somebody in your family that has diabetes, there is a high likelihood that you could get it later on in life or depending on the type, you could have type one diagnosed at a young age. So it could depend. But that genetic component is very strong. So genetics, family history, for sure. Ethnicity, race, comorbidities, like, people that have PCOS, tend to be insulin resistance and that can build up and they could potentially get type two. Not their fault. It's just something that happens in the body. And same with hormonal diseases like hypothyroidism, cystic fibrosis medications, like, people that have to take long term steroids, they get steroid induced diabetes also not their fault. Do you see this pattern of all these things that are truly out of someone's control and not related to the food you're eating? Yes. I feel like we already debunked the big myth of, like, sugar does not cause diabetes is not how it works. Let's go into a few other myths. I feel like there are so many. So I guess it's the whole sugar thing kind of part two. A big myth is that those who have diabetes should avoid carbs in general, including sugar. Please debug that for us. Oh, yeah, I think so. Tiktok is a very still very new realm for me, and I love some of the feedback I get from people. People get so salty. Yeah. So people with diabetes in general, people need carbohydrates. Carbs are our brain's primary fuel source. I know that you guys know this. This is probably, like, your anthem. But when we're not getting that primary fuel source and we rely on things like the keto diet or like, super low carbs, that's not going to give us the energy our brains need. And then if you have diabetes, that could cause your blood sugar to drop. And then when you're feeling like you have a low blood sugar, you also feel very hungry. And so it's kind of setting you up for this binge cycle where it's like, I need to get something right now. Well, now that my blood sugar is low, I'm going to grab a ton of one specific food. So it's kind of sending you in this, like, roller coaster versus if you were to allow yourself to have carbs, you could fuel your brain properly, you could make sure your blood sugars can stay stable, and you're going to reduce those binge episodes. So not a fan of no carbs in the diet. It doesn't work. Do you ever get those comments when you say that it's like, oh, so you're saying I should only eat bananas that are only all I should ever eat, right? Yeah, exactly. How could you say something like this? Are you trying to put me in the hospital? I'm not. Definitely not. It's like this is just we've turned this kind of diet into something that is not beneficial. But I think a lot of people diabetes cling to it as safety. It feels safe.
Participant #1:
Yeah. Because we can't fault them for, like, feeling, especially if they've never worked with a dietitian or if they don't have any concrete past nutrition knowledge, if it's something that will potentially help them not fluctuate as much or even maybe it does cause fluctuations and they're used to. It would be something to go to, I think something with low carb and keto that gives a lot of people with diabetes this safety feeling is that you don't have to carb count much. Numbers aren't involved. It's pretty predictable, like what could happen. Whereas when you kind of step into, okay, I'm going to try adding some bread on my plate. I'm going to try having a bowl of cereal. That seems risky to somebody with diabetes because again, our bodies are not utilizing the pancreas the way we want to, the way a normal person would. And it doesn't mean that it's impossible to have those foods. It just means that it's going to take different tools in your toolbox to figure out how to make it work for you. Yeah. Just a different approach to eating those foods than someone who doesn't have to worry about that piece of it. Well, let's talk about the elephant in the room, which is weight loss. I'm excited to debunk this with you. I think the big myth, kind of our third and final myth in our little list of myths here is that weight loss cures type two diabetes. What are your thoughts on that one? Yeah. So I actually wanted to send you guys a link afterwards from Reagan Chastain. She is a researcher and she has a really great article just about like, weight loss surgery and weight loss with type two diabetes. And again, I think how it's promoted is like you could reverse your diabetes. But here's the thing. You can't reverse diabetes no matter what type. You could go into remission, which means that your A one C would go below that 6.5 level without medications. That means your body did that on its own. That might work for some people. It's not everyone's journey or experience with diabetes. And when it comes to weight loss as the goal for diabetes management, it just sets you up to really form disordered behaviors around food. It leads to weight cycling, which also puts a lot of stress on the body, also can elevate your blood sugars and with, like, weight loss surgeries. In specific, the research is really biased because they're saying like, oh, we're going to help reverse your diabetes by amputating your stomach well, that has its own risks. That has risk for malnutrition and the nutrient deficiencies. It doesn't guarantee that your blood sugars are going to be perfect. It just first you're going to have to adjust to this new life of very small meals. So sorry if I just blabbed all that, but it's just not sustainable. And I always try to shift people like, the clients I work with, I try to shift their focus to health promoting behaviors like, what are things that we can work on that are going to be healthy for you? Because weight is not a behavior. Yes, exactly. That I want to put weight is not a behavior in a big, bold box all over the Internet. I know there's such a focus on weight loss, especially with type two. Ws. I think it goes, like, both ways where people think weight gain is, like, the main cause of type two. And then also weight loss is a way to get you back. Yeah. And people in, like, all size bodies get type two diabetes. There was another study I was reading a while ago that it was just kind of fascinating that a lot of people that are in smaller bodies don't get diagnosed in time, usually because the doctor doesn't assume that they might need that type of test. Everyone should have their A one, C check. I think everyone yearly. If you're already going to be, like, taking my blood and checking for other things, you should throw the A one, C on there. So it's like doctors will prescribe weight loss for someone with type two in a larger body, but with someone in a thinner body with type two, they get medications. So why don't we treat them the same and give the person in the larger body medications.
Participant #1:
Yes. I hadn't even put that together. Like, those in smaller bodies who have type two getting totally different treatment than those in larger bodies. Wow. Yeah. So again, I do feel like, unfortunately, the stigma is there, and I don't think it helps that people make the comments of like, oh, no, I ate my way to diabetes. Or I had they're holding like, a bag of candy, like eating my diabetes today. It's like I literally heard someone say that today they were eating a cupcake. They're like, oh, I can't wait to get the diabetes from this. I'm like, good one. That's so funny. Like, looking at my insulin pump like, okay, cool. So happy for you. That's maddening. Maddening. Well, I think the solution sounds like I may not the solution. I think every single person's approach is going to be so different, of course. But I think what is, of course, very helpful can be intuitive. Eating, finding food freedom, all of those things. So kind of walk us through how is it possible then, to find food freedom if you do have diabetes? Yeah. So typically, I always recommend, like, the starting point isn't to full on jump into intuitive eating, because I think that there's a lot to work on. There's the beliefs you have around food, there's the beliefs you have around diabetes, around your worth. Something I see so often with my clients across the board is that there's so much shame. Some of them haven't even told some of their family members they have it. Some people don't bring it up that they have it at work. It's like people don't want to talk about this, but that also kind of hinders the care that they can get. It's like they're scared to make appointments, they're scared to do things. So I try to really focus and help them to feel more empowered by explaining actual causes of diabetes, actual treatments, tools that we can use. And from that point, as they're getting this understanding, we start moving into what are their meal patterns look like? Can we eat consistently? Which, you know, people demonize snacks. But snacks are amazing for stable blood sugars. They're the best. Awesome. So focusing in that way as you move into intuitive eating, really building a foundation and moving up so that the person feels confident, can reduce that shame and can find tools for blood sugar management. That is such a good way to go about it. I do not specialize in diabetes at all, but I feel like everything you're doing is the best way to go about it. Thank you. Because that's, like, so true that people should know if someone has diabetes in case something happens. Like my diabetic friends, I know to have things on hand in case something happens, and especially if you're at work or you're not able to snack and something happens, you need to have the people around you supporting you. But there is so much of that stigma around diabetes that is to make it so challenging for people who want to reach out for help. But there needs to be more education on the causes, because I feel like that's like one of the biggest things where people just think people are like, oh, you ate, you eat really poorly. That is why you got diabetes. Yeah, exactly. They don't feel safe. Again, it's like you don't feel safe to tell people what's going on because it's like you feel like you're going to get judged or they're going to ask you, what are you eating? Why are you doing that? You should try keto. I actually heard that one of my friends was telling me about how they were eating, like a cupcake, and someone was like, should you be eating that? You're a diabetic? They've had diabetes their entire life. And they're like, I think I know what I'm doing at this point to go back to TikTok trends. Did you guys see that one duet of that guy? I don't even know what his name is, but he gets all the information from Facebook, but he grabbed a chocolate bar, was like, if you have diabetes, I don't know why I'm making him sound like a grandma, but it's like, you shouldn't eat this. And then it was like this train of people with diabetes eating chocolate. It was my favorite thing. That's amazing. That's amazing. We're fighting back. Slowly but surely, we are fighting back. Okay, good. Finding a good night. Back with that. I'm sure that was the best space for anyone who has diabetes. And they're like, oh, my gosh, look at all these people also like chocolate. Yeah. Because again, it's like we keep promoting this message that certain foods are not allowed for people with diabetes and that you should have lost weight or you could have prevented it. All the different reasons that don't validate your actual experience and what happened to you. So, yeah, I'm really happy to see that. At least recently, the diabetes community has been a lot more like fighting back for some of this nonsense. Good. We need more of that energy online.
Participant #1:
Tough for dietitians, for sure. Yeah. People are very strange, and people also tend to take anything you say. It's like I think what Hannah was saying, it's like you could come out there and say, like, I really enjoyed this bagel today, and you'll get like, ten comments of like, are you saying it's like, oh, my gosh, just eating a bagel, literally the bagel specifically is so tricky to people on Tik Tok if you eat a bagel as a dietitian, people lose their mind. Yeah. Wild. It's delicious, too. Why are we hating on this delicious carb? Come on. Beats me. Yeah. Well, since we know maybe what shouldn't be happening in healthcare, which I think is happening currently a lot, I know there's plenty of really great providers out there, including dietitians who are on the same page as you. But I guess the question is, what should the standard be for providers especially, I think, like, medical providers for working with those who have diabetes. What kind of care should they be providing? Yeah. The things that really pop out to me is, again, treat each person with diabetes the same regardless of their body size. I think most doctors, nurse practitioners, Pas, I feel like they should be checking in on an eating disorder history before they start blabbing about a diet because, you know, they will. They will. I think the eating disorder screening is important. Same treatments, honestly, referring out to a dietician, like maybe just cutting the nutrition talk and just referring out. And I know there's some dieticians that can be problematic, but I'm hoping that it's a better chance of them learning versus what they might hear in the doctor's office. Yes. I feel like there are in most places, so many dietitians available, and not only do patients not know that, but I feel like doctors, maybe they do or don't. I don't know. I can't speak to them, obviously, but they got to know that they are there and they can refer to them. So I don't know why they automatically just tell their patient who has diabetes to start doing keto or whatever it is to lose weight. Whatever. It's like refer them out to diabetes Ad or a dietitian. Someone who went to school first. We went to school for a long time. We didn't have paid internships. Did you have a paid internship? I paid a lot of money to go to school. I wanted to ask first because I know you pay in my dreams. A lot of crock pot meals that year. Yeah. I got married two days before I started my internship, and we were just eating chili the next week. This is great. I love this. That's funny, because I actually got married in the middle of mine as well. I don't know why we did that. It was very lovely, but it's a lot of adrenaline right in that moment, you're like, I could do anything. And then you finish your internship, you're like, I need to hibernate for a while. Still recovering. Yeah. Something that just popped into my head, too, when you're talking about referring to diabetes educators and things like that with doctors, too, like in medical school, they usually get around like 24 to 48 hours of nutrition education. And I went to a nutrition conference through Athens, the nutrition support about four years ago, and there was a doctor doing a whole study on it. How we need to integrate more nutrition education for doctors. So anytime you see a diet book at Target, Barnes and Noble with a doctor on it, I just want you to be aware that a lot of it is their opinion. Mark Hyman. Yeah. Not a fan of him specifically and others, but. Yeah. Just want to throw that out there. Yes, we discussed that frequently. It goes episode two of this podcast. What we're talking about starting off hot, the scope of practice is just like yelling. A year ago, we were like, let's just go for everything. We're a bit on his never like that. I love it. I love it. Yeah. No, I think it's great. And I think Dietetics is an interesting place to be. And I feel like lots of when I was in school, I feel like I didn't get a lot of education on eating disorders. I got a lot of weight centric education. And so I feel like I'm also in this process of unlearning and finding ways that are supportive of patients. Yes, I talk about that all the time because same. Emily and I always talk about this, how we're going to cure obesity and save the world and make everyone lose weight. And now we're like, whoop, no, that's it. Yeah. Have you seen Maintenance Space? Have you seen have you listened to Maintenance Space? Really nice. Everyone has brought up so many ties. We need to listen to it. Emily, it's so great. Yes. There's some really great ones. I personally love the Weight Watchers episode. Podcasts. Yeah. You know, your podcast, lingo, busing, whatever. I don't know. What do they say now? What have these children say? Okay. Yeah. This is why I don't dance in any of my TikToks. Because I'm like, this is a step too far for me. No, I can't. I've tried and I just deleted. I can't watch myself do it. I tried one of the transitions recently, and I just deleted it this morning. I'm like, that's embarrassing. That's not happening. Emily, you're good at the transitions. You're allowed to get those. I've got to get those. That is dancing. No transitions. I feel like it's pretty good. It takes me a little bit longer, but I want to get good at those because some people are really good at them. I'm like, oh, my God.
Participant #1:
Yeah. Get those views. Get those, like, button. Yes. Sorry. I totally, like, derailed like what we're talking about. That's very literally every episode, we will normally have a 15 minutes segment that has nothing to do with the topic. You're not worried where my brain is that you brought up Mark Hyman and I just went off. All bets are off. After the all bets are off. Those are my thoughts on. Those are her thoughts on doctors and nutrition education. Oh, yeah. Well, I think that covers the gist of it. To kind of wrap up, we like to always have our guests. We always kind of joke, like, if our listeners were to jump to this part of the podcast and they were only hearing this part, what would you kind of say to sum it all up? Okay, so I would say, how do I summarize this? I know it's tough. I would say that diabetes can affect someone in any size body and that it's not your fault if you get diagnosed with it. And there's ways of managing your blood sugars that don't have to deal with restriction. It's very possible to have a peaceful relationship with food, with diabetes, and know that it's complicated having diabetes. It's just a fact. Yes, that's it. That's all I need to hear. If you guys just tuned in. Welcome. There we go. Thanks for shipping to the end.
Participant #1:
Cool. So now the fun part. Not that this has nothing. This is having a blast. This is a great time. Me too. But now for the unhinged part of our episode. Not really unhinged. Okay. You can be on hinge if you'd like. I know I didn't have any, like, cussing come out. I mean, I got pretty close. I've got another rant, but later I'll tell you later. Are you going to remember it? Okay, I'll remember it. I'm going to write it down. Go on. You dare question her memory, Emily? All right. I just want to make sure. I feel like we could talk a lot about this bonus question. So I don't want you to forget if it's actually relevant on my paper. It's on my paper. Okay, so now everyone's going to have to listen to the bonus question to hear what your other rank is. It's actually a good strategy. We should always do this. But wait, there's more questions after that. Yup. Yes. Okay, so our bonus question, we always like to have this at the end of our episodes where it's just a time to kind of share your opinions. And we don't really debate. We just kind of share what we think.
Participant #1:
Our question today is what is the best movie theater snack? And we always let our guests go first. So I did think about this a lot. It's a very tough question. My mind wants to say popcorn, but my heart says the cookie dough bites that you get. Do you remember those? Yes. I feel like that's the one. I forgot what they're called. But those, those are so good. Oh, yeah. It might be called Cookie dough bite. Just cookie dough bite. They're a very old name. Marketing good. Great. They need to raise in the marketing Department over there. Well, they're so good. They're so good. Emily, go ahead. I want to hear your answer first. So mine. I feel like I'm making my own question because there are no rules in the bonus question world. And I'm going to do a combo because this is what reminds me of childhood and going to the movies. My answer is popcorn with disgusting amount of butter on it. It's not like it's unhealthy. It's like, why would anyone put that much on it? Are you good? It is. Soggy are you okay? Yeah, I'm not okay. Insane amount of butter with a blue raspberry slushy. That is about the slushies. Grab a slushies, too. That's a good one. I don't know if you call it a snack. My snack combo. It's like refreshing because you have the kind of salty and then you have the sweet and it's icy. I like that. Yeah, it's a great combo. Well, I was going to say a combo, too, because gosh Dang it. I can. I'm a big fan of the Sweet Unhinged. The Unhinged podcast. Yeah. Sweet and savory is kind of my jam for any kind of snack. So definitely popcorn is like my savory. And I also do love the butter a lot. I don't know. We also go to the movies, Emily, and see. I'm, like nervous about your level, and I'm kind of just wondering if it's actually like a crazy amount or you're just being dramatic. We'll have to go for sure and see both. It could be both. I don't ever know with you. I also love butter, but I wouldn't describe it as disgusting, but maybe our like, what's the word? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Threshold. Threshold. Thank you. Yes, mind reader. Yes. Perfect. The threshold could be different for the two of us. But anyway, popcorn for sure. Lots of butter, very salty, and then something sweet, which I forgot about slushies. I didn't really have a sweet component, but I like to have, like either a slushy or maybe like a diet soda for love. A good diet Coke if they have those machines of all the different ones, I'll do like a ginger lime Coke or like a cherry Coke like that. And then maybe if I want some candy, I might do something chocolatey. Like, what are the ones that get stuck in your teeth? Milk Duds. Milk Studs? Yeah. You don't like those, Emily? Well, why? Because they get stuck in your teeth. Danielle, if her hands get dirty or if her teeth get dirty, she doesn't like it. She's out. Okay. I should have known. You wouldn't understand reason for that. You use a spoon for your soup popcorn. I feel like you would not like you getting your hands dirty with your popcorn. No, I hold it and I like, stick out my tongue. Oh, my God. You know what? We're not going to the movies together. I take it back. I just uninvited myself. I'm not doing that with you. We could sit separately. Okay. You could sit in different roads. That's good. In front of. No, maybe she has to sit behind you. Behind so I can't see. Yeah. You don't want that in your vision, but she can be behind you. Yeah. It's true friendship.
Participant #1:
Yeah. I kind of love that, though. Rather be how we eat it or the combination. Maybe all of it. Yeah, the icy part. I totally forgot. That's a great answer. Yeah. So I'm saying Bob Burger is the movie tomorrow that exists. They have a movie? Yes, they do. I'm going with my friend and maybe I need to get a soup popcorn. I'm going to call it soup popcorn. And I'll just think of Emily and just like, no, it's lizard eating popcorn. You know, that's how I'm meaning it. I am not sticking my cheese, but it makes it not shareable. I will know. Maybe that's your intention. I'm not upset about it. You don't want this. Or maybe you do. Well, this is amazing. I just forgot that everyone can see us. If you're not watching this and you're just listening. We are yoshiing right now. I forgot. We're doing a podcast. Not like our visual thing. Yeah. This is a small rant about the prices of food recently. This is not related. But do you guys ever have it at movie theaters where you could get unlimited refills of slushies? Yeah, they always do that. And like popcorn. That's still a thing I haven't gone to. I figured it wasn't a thing just because I don't think everything is expensive. But I remember I was a kid, I used to finish an entire slushy before the movie started. Yeah,
Participant #1:
I don't know. I had a bladder of steel, I guess when I was shaking in the corner of their popcorn in someone's peripheral. They're like someone's violently shaking near me. I have to bring a blanket to the movie. Wow. I haven't had that experience. But I'm not saying it sounds like a bad one. No. As a kid, it's a dream being able to shut a slushy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. That in Pixie Six were life. Yeah. I don't know if they had those at the movie theater ever, but that was, like, one of my favorite, so they probably had to clean up the raspberries, just, like, little dust everywhere. Sticky. Yeah, it's a good point. From a business standpoint would vary wise. It wouldn't be the best choice. Yeah. Okay. What was your thing that we. I already, like, almost. Do I have time? Do I have time? I can make it quick. This is our process to make the rules. Okay, so you see this thing that I'm wearing? Cgm continuous glucose monitor. I keep getting ads on Facebook for this company called Nutrisense, and they are a weight loss company that is marketing CGMs for people without diabetes for the purpose of weight loss. And it drives me bonkers. Like, I feel like it's one of the most annoying things to have happened because first of all, a lot of people with diabetes can't get a prescription to cover getting one of those. And this is, like, life changing for me. I can look at my readings 24 hours a day. Not that I'm even awake, but you know what I mean? Like, it's there. And so I saw a video on TikTok yesterday where I get all my juicy feeds that make me upset. And this guy was, like, doing a diet or whatever, and he's showing how his blood sugar spiked after a meal. And I just think this is another factor that's going to be coming in where people have stigma around diabetes and blood sugar. So that's kind of part of my rant. That's my rant. It's like, why are we doing CGMs for people without diabetes when there's people with that can't afford it? Yes, I've seen those, too. I've seen those two, those ads for those. And I'm like, of course your blood sugar is going to spike when you eat. Like, that's just how bodies work. I know your body's doing its thing. So it was just a huge annoyance for me to see that the other day. I was like, really? We're doing this now? Like, come on. We already had keto. Keto going Dr. Hyman's blood sugar detox book, like Dr. Bernstein. We have so many different pieces of garbage. And now we have another one. So that's my rant. Very valid rant. It's just so dumb, especially from the accessibility standpoint. This is like helping keep you alive. And then there are people that don't need it. But for weight loss, they need to track their blood sugar all the time. It's definitely creating food fears because it's like, if they notice their blood sugar, God forbid spikes up to 110. You know, they have to cut out whatever food they were eating. It's an interesting one. Another diet culture fad. I know. Super great. We can prep mentally prep. Mentally prep. So, yeah, if you have any clients that come to you and ask you about this, you heard it first. People with diabetes don't like that. Don't like it. Stop it. Start on this podcast. Stop it. Eat in peace and let us have our CGM because they're expensive.
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Yeah. Ug. Major. Ug. We always like to end our episodes with giving you the space to promote whatever you want, whether it's links, social media, something cool, you like whatever it is. Okay, you can promote it right here. The floor is yours. Love that. So if anyone wants to follow me for more like topics around diabetes and blood sugar management without restriction, I'm at Food Freedom Diabetes on Instagram and Tik Tok. Those are like my two main areas. And I also have a group that's launching midJuly. So if that's something that someone is looking to try to be able to learn how they can balance their blood sugars, you can click the link in my bio both on TikTok and Instagram. That will be perfect timing. Episode comes out early July. I think that'll be Yay. That's awesome. Okay. Love it. And I'll send you guys some links to the Reagan Chastain link about weight loss surgery and diabetes and just some other info that I think is really cool. Absolutely will be in the description for you guys. We have this other running joke, Daniel, where somehow I guess I can just do it, Emily. But Emily always gets caught doing the outro and we also struggle with that for whatever reason. We've been doing this for 57 episodes now and we like to not do an intro or an outro. It's just I can understand that. It's so tough. For some reason, it's hard. All right. Thank you everyone for listening to today's episode. Thank you, Danielle, so much for coming on here. I'm sure we will have you back because there's so much about diabetes, so I'll be good to chat about it again. If you have any questions or want or have diabetes and you want to work on a relationship with food and don't really know how to manage it, definitely go check out all the links we are going to attach to the bio. We will see you guys next week. Otherwise, have a great rest of your day. Yes, thank you again, Danielle, all so much. We will see you guys next week. All right. Thank you for having me. Bye.