Episode 113: Disordered Eating Behaviors Your Enneagram Type Might Experience (Enneagrams 1-4)
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In this episode of The Up-Beet Dietitians podcast, Emily and Hannah combine their love for Enneagrams and expertise in nutrition and disordered eating. Last week, the girls discussed what Enneagram type they are. This week, they’ll analyze Enneagram types 1-4 and what types of disordered eating behaviors they may see depending on your personality type. This is all in good fun!
DISCLAIMER: We are not Enneagram experts. Everything in this episode is speculation.
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hello everyone welcome back to another episode of the up-beet dietitians
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podcast hello guys welcome back to the Pod like we mentioned last week we are
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continuing a three-part Series today all about the anagram last week we talked all about our own anagrams and how they
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relate to each other and we kind of prefaced this but this week and next week we're going to go into each of the
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actual like numbers the anagrams and we're going to talk about how they might
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relate to different types of disordered eating now we want to give really big
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disclaimer here that we are not anagram experts like we said last week we just
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have fun with it like this is just a fun episode something for us to kind of mix it up a little bit um for our enjoyment
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and for yours um but while we are food experts disordered eating experts I
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would would even say I would not call myself an anyag expert that's for sure
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no this is just for fun and we love talking about all things
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personality test as is so what better way to bring in our Niche than this what
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better way so we can start it off with talking about probably the four types we'll talk about for people who might
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not know or aren't familiar with the anrs so
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I'll go through them um so the anagram in general is just like a model overall
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of like the human psych that's taught there are like nine interconnected personality types you can
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kind of have wings if you like know which type you are you can go Wing either way which one is consecutively
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close to you um but the four types we're going to be talking about today are type one is the reformer type two is the
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helper type three is the achiever and type four is the IND individual list and
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we're going to kind of go a little bit more into depth about what exactly each of these kind of Encompass and then
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we'll of course bring in how we might see disordered eating habits
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specifically for these yeah I'm very excited I was having a hay day while
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making the outline for this one because I just like love learning about this kind of stuff and it like makes so much
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sense like we talked about last week how I I know I said this I you did too Emily
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like I really resonate with the anagram and like my type and how it I don't want to say defines me but it really
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describes me in a lot of different ways and so I feel like knowing what I know about the different numbers which isn't
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much I definitely know my own type the best which I'm we'll get to next week um yours too actually it's it's cool to see
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how these things I think can really relate and hopefully the takeaway for you guys is like if you know what your type is
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maybe just having a better understanding if this does kind of resonate with you um and kind of knowing what to look out
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for maybe even if you didn't know you were struggling with with this kind of disorder eating but again not here to
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diagnose or anything but hopefully that just kind of helps bring some awareness to it yeah okay let's get into the first one
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so I actually thought that I was a one for a while a one is the reformer I
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think I am a nine wi one so I'll kind of actually say in a minute how I think a lot of these made some sense during my
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disordered eating days but kind of the the best way to describe a one I would
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say is like the perfectionist that all or nothing thinking which we talk about
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a lot when it comes to food and how it's not very helpful enag Institute has a section on their website that
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describes what types of they call them addictions which I don't know if I love that when it comes to food but they
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describe the types of addictions in quotes that the different types may have and this is what they said about the the
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reformer anyag 1 they said quote excessive use of diets vitamins and
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cleansing cleansing techniques fast diet pills enemas undereating for
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self-control in extreme cases anorexia and bulimia and alcohol to relieve
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tension which is just very much on brand especially with that like All or Nothing
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mindset going for more of those like polarizing approaches that really are
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like fully in it very extreme kind of one way or another so it
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makes it makes a lot of sense yeah and I I think this person would be the type to
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definitely go hard with like the clean eating the natural way of eating organic eating like they're like you're either
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right all the way right and like eating perfectly clean or you're wrong like that's the only
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alternative if you're going to be like doing things right is you're eating things usually clean is how that Tye of
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person would describe it yeah and from like the other side of it it might be seen as like having like being
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disciplined and having all this willpower and control over food but it's
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like definitely a like control technique to try to like
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feel like a perfectionist would like feel in complete
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control whichever way it is kind of affecting your body with what you're putting in it or not putting in it yeah
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usually the opposite where they're yeah not eating much of anything that isn't clean and by doing so you would think
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that they like have this like perfect life where everything is just so clean and healthy and they're so fit but I put
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in the notes here like they actually end up just creating their own personal hell because that's no way to live like when
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we only eat we think of like Chris trigger on Parks and wreck have you seen parks and wreck Emily no I have not I
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couldn't get into it couldn't get I started it and I think I watched it immediately after the office and people
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were like oh it's like the office but Outdoors so like I went in thinking it would be exactly like that so I think I
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need to give it another shot because I like the outdoors and it's kind of like the office where season one is kind of like
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you got to be a real office fan to like season one it's kind of like that with parks and wck too it it definitely gets
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better and funnier as it goes along yeah I feel like I need like push through I
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think it also doesn't help that over the years I've grown to dislike Chris Pratt
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so that has not helped as well yeah and he's a very lovable character in that
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show so you would want to like him but you'd have like this internal like battle with you probably I'd probably be
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very upset about liking it but yeah maybe I'll try it I could I
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I'll maybe watch it with Bobby because like he can I feel like he would would like it yeah well the reason I bring it
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up is because Chris Chris Trager gosh I can't talk today Chris Trager is one of the characters and he is like the one
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who we can't diagnose here but probably as orthorexia I feel like he would
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probably be a one and he's a really good example of that where like you see on the outside he's like always going for runs and eating clean taking supplements
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but then around like the mid part of the series he ends up going to therapy constantly because he created his own
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personal hell so I feel like that would be I think he's a type one for sure if you guys can
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resonate with that at all yeah well we love that for him therapy's great yes Dr
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Richard niggard is a therapist there we go but yeah I mentioned how I might be a
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one-wing I think I am I think I'm a nine- wi one although I was reflecting after last week's episode that we
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recorded about how maybe I am like you can be a nine WI a or a nwing One MH we
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talked about how like an eight is well you and that person can be kind of
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like I don't know not very nineish but I was thinking about it and I was like I
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get really angry and frustrated and upset if things aren't going the way I think they
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should and I feel like that could be my eight coming out but as a nine I don't want to create chaos or problem so I
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just like repressed that anger and I was like wait am I actually a wing eight I don't know
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I don't know I could definitely see you going both ways because like I was also like why are eight and nines next to
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each other but like there definitely is a reason for it because like you can be an eight and still have more of that
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like Peacekeeper mindset which I don't have but you could have like you could be a peacekeeper but also be very
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like this is how it should be yeah why are we not doing this but like in a
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gentle way exactly I think like in my head I I'm thinking exactly that like why are
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we doing it this way this is totally wrong I think that's why I have such a tough time with the weight management
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side of dietetics but as the Peacekeeper I'm just like internalizing
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all of that and on the outside I'm like it's like that Olivia R I can't talk today it's making me so mad that Olivia
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Rodrigo song where it's like I'm happy all the time where it's just like it's
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fine all the time yeah yeah that
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could make sense could you both be both Wings sorry I don't know I don't know
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because the anyr makes it very clear that like it's not putting you in a box yada y y and so I wonder if I can go
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back and forth but also that's just a nine thing to like want to be all the different types so I think I'm I'm just a straight up nine is all we really need
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to know you don't you don't have a this is just who you are if we put you next to any other number you'd be that number
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somehow they literally describe it in the nines that will'll show personality traits of like they go through each of
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the numbers and how we might relate to each of them that checks out yeah but
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where I was going with this is if I am a one-wing which maybe I am halftime I don't know it's my part-time Wing I
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guess I would say that it makes a lot of sense for my like disordered eating days because self diagnosed orthorexia was
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definitely my big thing that I struggled with because I wanted to be the best at everything and like
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have my macros perfectly tracked and like only eat the most natural things so
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you like couldn't miss workouts exactly it's like this totally tracks for me if
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I am andito one wi yeah cool let's talk about two I feel
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like I keep forgetting we have four to get through number two is the helper
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these people tend to be emotional they're more empathetic people please and their life revolves around helping
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people and the anagram Institute States their like quote unquote I don't like
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the word addictions I don't either I'm G to say they're quote unquote potential
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flaws are abusing food and over-the-counter medications binging
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especially un sweetening carbohydrates overeating from feeling quote unquote love starved in extreme cases bulimia
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hypochondria to look for sympathy and I feel like that makes a
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lot of special especially if like people are like very driven by their emotions and that's not to say that's bad at all
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we are not we are very Pro emotions on this podcast um but like especially if
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like something with the like love starve standpoint like kind of acting out like
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oving and like suppressing those feelings or like just trying to feel something makes a lot of sense sense
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there especially when like if a lot of your a lot of your actions are dictated
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around like helping people and then you're feeling like there's something lacking you might overcompensate to feel
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something elsewhere yeah exactly like when you hear emotional eating I think
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that is an automatic tie into a twoo and being emotional like Emily just said is
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not a dis like that's a neutral term but not but and these are the types of
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people who would for sure be the most likely to experience those like emotional eating types of things I
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thought it could be interesting to if these might be the kind of people
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who might use food to show love which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing either when I was in more of the weight
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management side of dietetics in my early days as a dietitian when I was helping
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clients with weight loss they would often say that they like hated when their spouse or other like people in
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their family would like give them food to show love because they were trying to lose weight and so those was just extra
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calories and so I probably would have a while back thought that someone using food as a way to show love would be like
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a disc like a bad thing but I don't think it necessarily is unless this type
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two the helper maybe they' be the person who would feel upset if they were showing their love with food and the
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person didn't actually like like the food or they rejected it they didn't want to eat it which you always have the
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right to do I feel like the type two might feel unappreciated if someone didn't like the food that they made for
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them because they become very over involved in like people's
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lives and how they can take care of them and so if they feel like they're not doing that well it's it makes them feel
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like they're not doing a good job does that make any sense that does it's very much like AR reminds me of like the love
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languages with like acts of service but like more with like food around that
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like gift giving or gift giving love language and where if they feel like
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maybe like someone doesn't appreciate it even if they do appreciate it and they just don't like accept it or what not
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that could potentially affect them and make them a little bit upset yeah I
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think so too in which that could lead to like snowball effects of like overeating
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or like eating like a lot of sweets because that tends to help with from like a dopamine standpoint they need
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some type of like something to get their emotions up yeah exactly like they maybe have
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more of those like highs and lows with emotions and when those lows come for whatever reason whe become because they
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don't feel appreciated or whatever other trigger is causing that emotion I think
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that would be when they would result to that emotional eating binge eating and
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like The anyag Institute says like maybe even Bia and extreme cases um I would I
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feel like it might be more of a bulimia case if they are a anyag 2 Wing one
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where the wing one is the like the perfectionist who after a binge feels like that's so many extra calories you
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shouldn't be eating this they would be the one to purge afterwards if I had to
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guess because you know that's all we're doing here is guessing we're we're making
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assumptions based off of what little we know because you're not anyam experts but we are disord
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eting experts so we're taking that account should we go to the third this
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one I'm very interested in as well yes okay because as a nine I also thought
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that I was a three for a while like everyone were going to be like I thought I was this yeah it's true
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it's true I think I also thought I was a three at one point though yeah I think a lot of like I've seen a lot of
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dieticians are threes I think the type a person always thinks there are
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three yes if you went to Purdue dietics you might think you're a
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three we're all threes actually yeah so the the three as you may have assumed is
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called the achiever um this person is pretty different from the two this
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person is pretty unemotional and very practical I think Ross is a three he's very much like what's the reason we're
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making this choice there's no emotion tied to it we're going to play it by the book that's how it is and so you can
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kind of see how this might lead to disordered eating where it's like again clean eating rigid calorie counting
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Orthodox Tendencies things like that what the enag Institute says I'll read their quote they say quote overstressing
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the body for recognition working out to exhaustion starvation diets workaholism
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excessive intake of coffee stimulants amphetamines cocaine steroids or excessive surgery for cosmetic
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Improvement I feel like bigorexia is where this one slides into as well oh
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yes yeah where it's like just very like all must be the best like yes I will
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accept nothing less than number one I'm which is I guess similar to one the All
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or Nothing mindset but this is like I it's not like all or nothing it's like I need to do this to the best possible way
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and I will go to whatever extremes yeah to do so which I feel like not only bigorexia
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but on the flip side too anorexia like they want to be as small as possible they always feel like their body is not
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small enough they're always eating less the bottom line is like this type probably is going to struggle with their
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body image quite a bit yeah so they most likely follow very
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rigorous calorie SL macronutrient plan where they follow it to a DOT they're
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very I feel like a lot of these could easily be clean eating but especially this one where those
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orthorexia Tendencies tend to come up a little bit more because they have to have the best health and have to will
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not take anything into their body that could possibly poison it in any way or taint it
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um and just like once again that like control factor of like I need to control
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every single from like food to exercise like Hannah mentioned bigorexia and
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anorexia are most likely the two that might result in this and there's
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probably definitely a struggle with body image yeah just because it has to look the best the best we'll link the
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episode Below on bigorexia that we did with um a guest in the past really good episode if you guys are wondering what
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bigorexia is um my last thought on this type is my understanding is they because
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they often are striving to be the best of the best they feel as though they can be a good role model so I was kind of
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picturing like I feel like I have the right to diss on trainers because I am one this is the personal trainer you do
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have the right you are a trainer I cannot but you can and I'll support you
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from over here I'm gonna take that role and run with it now that you said that there I will fight anyone who says
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otherwise okay well I feel like this would be the trainer who loses weight or
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honestly anyone who loses weight whether it's a trainer or not I just feel like trainers tend to be the ones who feel the most qualified to do what they do
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next um which is where they lose all this weight or they make any other kind of change to their body they build muscle whatever and because they did
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that one accomplishment if you want to call it that they think
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that they are then qualified to help others do the same just because they achieved this one thing which we talked
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about before like just because you lose weight does not mean to qualifi to help others lose weight no no no no and especially when
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like no yeah I'm just going to reiterate what you said like you did it to yourself
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like please seek out a nutrition professional if you're going to make changes to your dietary habits
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especially if they're extreme yeah I thought you were going to like throw an influencer under this
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anagram type I was thinking of a recent fellow who we've talked about on the
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podcast but I don't know if he's an enr three um say his name and we'll delete
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it liver King no I was going to say Bobby ficity oh yeah I don't know if he's like I
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don't know he might be a one that's why I was I was like I don't know if he's achieved
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so like to prove that he like what has he shown what are like besides the
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obvious like what are your qualifications but like what do you have to
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show right right we we completely bashed him and
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called him a flaccid little man and now we're talking about how he has nothing
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to show like bull you know what he'd probably bully
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us if he saw us so he would all the junk food that we're eating it' probably be
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like I don't know honestly I would love to argue with him only the sense of like
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if like I you'd have to go in knowing you're not going to get anything out of this besides make him
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upset so you such an
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eight your eight is showing it is
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but no yeah he's definitely more of an a one wait now I wanna now I wantan to
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Cate I know this is like now I want to like name and no I don't think we should
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be this is not diagnosing any diagnosing no no no no no I think liver King is a
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[Laughter] I was two that's for sure no I two sorry
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I keep cutting off he thinks he's a two because he like is curing little boy depression or whatever but he's definitely not a two s about that I
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removed that from my brain I don't think any of them are twos though like you
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can't be a two and be in that job no cuz you would be affected by people's
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emotions and they would get upset and they don't seem upset so
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exactly okay anyway sorry I like I was like wait is this Bobby ficity but no
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you're right he's he's definitely more of a one he's totally a one I think I I don't know much I can't quite remember
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what a five is we we'll reconvene next week about Bobby Felicity yes do our full analysis then
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there we go perfect um let's talk about four okay because I don't hear much
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about four so I'm excited to talk about anyr 4 they're the
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individualist and they are self-aware LOL probably none of the infl okay I
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know I'm a nine and so I feel like I'm everything I am not a four well there we go I don't know who the hell I am um
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self-aware individualistic and dislikes feeling
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vulnerable okay interesting and makes sense yeah
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like the disordered eating stuff we'll get to yeah and the anr Institute States their potential flaws as quote as being
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quote overindulgence in rich food sweets alcohol to alter mood to socialize and
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for emotional consolation lack of physical activity bulimia depression tobacco prescription drugs or heroin for
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social anxiety cosmetic surgery to erase rejected features
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unquote wow that so like what I was kind of reading is like they want to be their
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own self they're an individualist
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but like if others I don't know it's kind of like if the if others
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don't okay I'll just read what I put on here because I think it words it well like I feel like these be the ones who
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would have negative body image because because of their individualism they're very well of like their flaws and their
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differences is I don't know necessarily if they like want don't want to have those flaws I feel like they really just
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like notice them and it's part of them like they are their flaw and so like
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they like like my big thighs are like just who I am kind of thing yeah I feel
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like they like can't help being aware of like every little thing on their body
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it's like they might not want to think about it but like they're
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there's so much like just thought about like who they are as a person and then if you bring in the like entire diet
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culture side of it that's probably not helping where it's like oh look at these
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things that you might not have thought about and then you you think about them and you're like oh well maybe that is
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why I do this yeah yeah and I think this person would be one to overthink their
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food choices because they want to make sure they are eating the thing that they think others think they should be eating
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eating so they'd be someone who like would not like to eat out with other people because again they like want to
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make sure that they're eating the thing that matches what their personality is supposed to be according to like what
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they're portraying to others it's just so interesting the part about like
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utilizing these other like substances I'm including food and
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substances because I'm just putting it all in one um to socialize and for like emotional consolation that
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like sometimes it's like that like being vulnerable side especially like not wanting to open up like you like need
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something to get through those situations and it might be over Reliance on food then or like yeah potentially
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the binging and then maybe that's where like the bulimia can come in where you're like oh my you're so self-aware
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you're like oh my gosh I just did that to deal with this and it could be a bing and
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Purge type situation I could totally see that and something else that I was
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reading was fours might be the ones to get stuck stuck in that like victim
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mentality if they have made being a victim part of their identity and when
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that relates to eating disorders I'm wondering if this might lead to them
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thinking like they are their eating disorder like it's not like a separate thing that's happening to them their
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identity like I am my eating disorder which of course makes recovery super tough because that's just like who you
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think you are there's no way to recover from that is what you think I feel like fours are enigmas I
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don't know I don't know if I know any fours I was gonna say I want to meet a four I feel like they're
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like I don't know I can't think of a four I don't know if I know any fours I
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wonder you know how they like show celebrities who are
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for also by the way I never got to ask to Bobby what his oh yeah his because he
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got sick and I didn't think he'd want to do a test when he was sick probably not that was very nice of
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you I let him go Billy ish is a four but so is Edgar Allen po what does
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Freeda Angelina Julie well that Johnny Depp I don't know I don't know these
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celebrities so I don't know why can't say I know them personally yeah well I like how describes it it
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says the four is the sensitive introspective type expressive dramatic
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self-absorbed temperamental I feel like those are the words that really maybe tie it together is the expressive
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dramatic self-absorbed temperamental yeah I agree with them like I feel like
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just really severe like when we think of an eating disorder of course being food
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and like the foods that we do or don't eat of course it is also a mental disorder as well and I feel
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like a four would experience a lot of those like the mental sides of an
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disorder along with the food side too of course but maybe a lot more of the mental than like a different type would
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yeah I agree with that cool
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interesting well this was fun to think about this was fun I love analyzing with
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no right to do so I mean I feel like a lot of people on the
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internet do that so so we're just contributing our T pieces
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yeah and once again we are not experts and if you make that any more
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clear and if you're like one of these anagram types and you have a history
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with disorder eating or current disorder eating and it wasn't something we describe that doesn't invalidate your
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experience anymore this is just us what is the word speculating this is
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just I was trying to say that earlier speculating yes yeah this is us just making silly
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little assumptions based off of what we know exactly and if you really do like
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the anagram and you feel like you really relate to a certain type and we described it in a way that you don't
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relate to in a similar fashion that does not mean that like you're no longer a three
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or whatever like again speculation was what I was trying to say earlier that's all this is speculation
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just for funsies like I said maybe the takeaway can be some self-awareness if that's
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what you got from this but if you also got nothing besides entertainment that's okay fine too yeah
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yeah that's half of what we do is entertainment yeah
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exactly well that was fun we've got five six seven we have five naags next week
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including the that Emily and I are so we'll I'm a bit biased but I'm excited
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because it has both of ours that'll be good yeah plus your possible wings too
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because I I had some relation to well all of them as a nine but especially
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except for four I'm obviously not a four I am not I'm never dramatic that's for
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sure am a little bit for there we go there it is find a way to to tie it in
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cool well thanks for listening guys tune in next week if you want to hear us just talk about our anagrams in general and
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everything leave a comment about what anyr you are and how much you love this
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podcast and and we'll see next week I listen to
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a podcast where they review the reviews and I feel like we should totally do that like as bonus segments like if we
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get reviews good bad or otherwise we'll review them so if that's your incentive
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to go leave a review there we go if it's just a smiley face be like slay yeah but
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make sure you give us five stars though if you're gonna thank you guys for tuning in we will see you hopefully in the bonus question but if not we'll see
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you next week all right bye
The Beet Deets Bonus Segment
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In this bonus episode, the girls dive into the question: do you have an internal monologue? The girls discuss if they have constant inner thoughts, reoccurring nightmares, if they plan conversations ahead of time, and why they might struggle with 1-on-1 counseling. Tune in for a fun unpacking of their inner minds!
