Episode 05: Is Intuitive Eating Just Another Diet?

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Participant #1:

Hi, guys. Welcome back. Oh, welcome back to the Dietitian's Pod. This episode will be discussing intuitive eating, and this will include the principles that consist of ways you can incorporate them into your life. And we have some intuitive eating resources that we'll be sharing with you. All intuitive eating is kind of a hot topic. We become a more hot topic conversation. I feel like there is a lot of misinformation about it out there. People are hearing about what it is, so we're here to help you out. Yes, not to show our bias, but it is created by dietitians, and it's usually taught by dietitians. So those who often against it are typically not dietitians. Like what I've seen. Would you agree? I agree. I think there are some dietitians. I don't always recommend it, but that's because of people's background with their relationship with food. And that's true. Other issues that could come up around that, but that's normally like behavioral issues, where it might be a very drastic adjustment to their current lifestyle. Yeah. Otherwise, I'd say most dietitians I know are pushing for it more and try and educate people more about it. Yeah. Even if they don't specifically, like, teach it or counsel only on that, others are still promoting it because it is such a good way of eating. It really is. So it was created like I mentioned a second ago by two dietitians named Evelyn Tribali and Elise Resh. Hope I said those right. If you are an intuitive eating specialist, please let me know, because I want to get that right. So those two kind of created the term, coined the term and created all the principles that we're going to be breaking down for you in a minute. But they also have written books, and for those of you who are not dietitians and are wanting to get more involved with this on your own, the books are a really great place to start. I've actually read a couple of them myself and did the audiobook, and they just really guide you through the principles and how to incorporate it more in your own personal life. So I will include a link in the description of where to find those different books. I have not had the opportunity to read any of them, but definitely something I have on my bucket list. Yeah, they're good. They're eye opening opening. Really? Okay. Should we get to the principles? Yeah. Okay. So there are ten different principles under two dividing, and we kind of discussing each of them what it means, what is defined by and we'll be talking about how you can incorporate them into your lives, and we can even discuss at some point some external factors or other influences that we've seen that go against these principles that could be potentially damaging to your life. So the first principle we'll be discussing is the principle of rejecting the diet mentality. I know this might seem very hard for a lot of people because it kind of seems like I know so many people that their nutrition and diet is such a large component of their life, and it makes sense that it would be because everyone eats every day. You need to eat, to be alive and function, and food also plays a social component in your life, as well as enjoyment and being happy. And a common conversation a lot of people have is what their new diet is or what dine are you trying next? But intuitive eating really pushes for dropping the entire mentality that you have to be on a diet. And they really point out in the book, this is like a big part of it that if you have even a glimmer of hope that a diet might be successful for you, like, if you even think that you ever would maybe want to try a particular diet again, then you are not quite able to fully embrace the intuitive eating lifestyle. So the goal is to get to a place where you don't have any of those like you fully understand that the diet mentality is not helping you, and you're just fully ready to embrace intuitive eating. Exactly. Diets tend to make a lot of promises that they can't keep. Yes. And no matter how good it sounds, it's probably not true. This principle also enforces kind of like getting mad, like all those different diets that have been tried and failed and that promote themselves as being the next best thing only to have the same end result of being back to square one. And it's okay to get mad at that and be frustrated because that is the common result for most people. Yeah, I agree. It's like people are trying to become better and they're trying to become their best self. And all these diets kind of like seduce them into thinking this is the way, like, if you do this, you'll be happy. Once again, it's kind of just died over diet. That is family expectations. And that's not your fault. That's the diet's fault. Yes. It's very clearly also described earlier that intuitive eating is not a diet. The goal with intuitive is not weight loss. It is all about improving your relationship with food and also yourself. Exactly. It's like a mindset. Yes. More so than a diet. That's for sure. It's definitely not a diet. No, it is not. By no means. It has these principles. They're not like a code for rules. These are like factors within the mindset that will help you be better. I really want to make sure I'm not making this sound like a diet because the more I'm thinking about it. It is not a diet because you're not restricting yourself in anything. There aren't specific rules you have to follow. It's more. So helping you figure out what your body wants and we'll be getting more into that later. But we're going to have to get, like, an actual specialist on here because we're not doing it justice. We really want to. It's such an important conversation. So we'll have to get someone on here who is super, who is actually certified. We'll get to that too. How that works. But someone who is certified into the meeting can really talk about this in greater detail than us. But hopefully for the main time, this gives you a good idea of what it is.

Participant #1:

Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. No, I was going to say moving on to the next principle. The next one is honoring your hunger. And this is kind of what it sounds like where when you're hungry, you eat food because your body is sending you these biological and chemical signals throughout releasing those essential hormones that is indicating that it's time for you to eat or your body can benefit from eating at this time. And this is something that I've really seen to be obscured by diet, culture and society because a lot of posts I've seen on social media by random people like health coaches and such. They provide all this advice of ways to curb your hunger, and that's kind of how they worded. Also, they're like in order to avoid being hungry, drink a full glass of water, and then if you're still hungry after that, eat something or they'll say, choose some gum. And then after, however amount of time you're still hungry, you can eat or they'll say like, drink this meal replacement shake that will curb your hunger and your body knows what it's doing, and it's not sending you these hunger cues to try to mess up your life or really damage you in any way. I've seen some different dietitians post this where they'll say, like if you have to pee, what do you do? You go pee like you don't try to hold it or try to mask it somehow by doing a different activity. Like if you have to pee, you go pee as your body is sending you a cue that needs something to happen. And so it really is the same idea with food. And it is normal when you are dieting for years and years and years to have those cues be kind of messed up. They're not always going to be what they should be if you have been going through that diet cycle forever. So working to that again, the end goal of being a better eater. That's the right word. I guess. I don't know if it is, but it takes time, so learning to listen to those cues will not always be a perfect system, and you might not always hear them the way that you think you should. And that's just all part of the process, which I know is messy. But that is why, again, working with an idea is so important. Yeah, it's a lot easier said than done. Just a saying to honor your hunger from first the mental block of getting over the fact that it's okay for you to eat when you're hungry, but then also being in tune with your body and figuring out, am I hungry? Yeah, definitely more to it than it's easier said than done. That's for sure. Okay. So the next principle, number three, is all about making peace with food. So this goes into no longer labeling foods as good and bad, giving yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods. And that means all food, nothing's ever off limits, having no food rules. And that one also is a messy process for most people. If you have been having these food rules for so long and getting to that place where eventually you don't have any rules might lead to overeating at times. That's just part of the journey for a lot of people. But the goal is to get to that place where you have that uncontrolled permission. And when that happens, you will find that you don't crave those what you've claimed as bad foods all along, you will no longer want those all the time because you can have them whenever you want. And so our brains are wired to what we can't have. And so we say we can't have them. And so it's what we want. But when they're all just neutral in your mind, you won't crave them quite as much as you might have been in the past. I agree. I don't really have that much to add on to that, but I feel like this is another really important principle. These are all important, but this is one that is possibly more common or difficult for people. I don't know if I say common, but it's one of the more common problems I've seen with people where they have this. There's this perception that certain foods are bad and that mindset will lead to restriction and binging, which is not good. And then you'll get upset with yourself and feel by yourself. And it's a self sabotaging cycle that we don't want you to experience, but really just accepting that it's okay for you to eat a slice of pizza, or if it's okay for you to eat a cookie, life will go on, and you got some enjoyment out of that food. It's okay to eat that. And that's really what it's about because you're not really putting any restrictions in your mind around certain foods. Yeah. And food really is more about calories and nutrients. I'm sure we did it before on the podcast. It's a lot about feeling your emotions, and it's about celebrating time with family. And again, it's just a lot more than calories and nutrition. All right. Number four is all about challenging the food police. Actually, I love a lot about this one how small it does. I think it is. I don't know if it's people in your life, but it's like the idea it's like very much what we just talked about where it's like labeling foods is good and bad. And it's kind of in those, like, the food police kind of lies far down within you and with other people that they might not even be aware of, where someone might say something that is inappropriate about your food. Like, should you be eating that or have you been good today, or even if you're asking yourself those questions like, did I exercise today? Do I deserve this, or do I actually deserve to eat in general? It's that idea that nagging voice inside of your head that's kind of trying to police you on what you eat and trying to put false labels on food and make you feel guilty about what you're trying to eat. And this principal was about standing up to that and challenging it, like the principal says, and basically saying, no, you're wrong. These are all societal thoughts that have been incorporated into my life over many years because there's kind of an obsession with putting foods either on a pedestal or on the opposite side that they're, like, terrible for them. And it really isn't that black and white with food. I love the way you put that. That was so good. Yeah. So the food place can be not only yourself but everyone else around you as well. And so challenging again, either if it's yourself or people who are saying those things to you is the best way to combat that. And also if you don't have the confidence to stand up to someone, they could be a stranger who's making unwarranted comments about what you're eating and making a mental note in your head, making sure that you don't believe them, that you're not letting them get to you because they're most likely projecting their own insecurities and thoughts onto you. And it's not personal. They mostly have stuff going on that they're not trying to make you feel bad about themselves, but they're not trying to make you feel bad. And if they are trying to make you feel bad, then cut those people out. You don't need toxic people in your life trying to guilt you into what you're eating like it. Eat a cupcake. Yeah, that's going to be the number one quote from this episode. Life is short. Eat a cupcake. I love cupcakes, but mostly for the sprinkles. As you know this. Oh, I forgot. You guys don't know Emily. She's obsessed with sprinkles. Obsessed. I will eat foods. She also sprinkles, which I know we're out to the bonus question yet, but this is like one of the ones we probably don't agree on. I actually am not a sprinkle person. I feel like that's kind of a common. Yeah, pretty common opinion, which I can understand why I like how they look, but eating them, I just don't get anything from that. If you've ever eaten a plain, I don't recommend, of course, you have a spoon or what? I don't know. Shake it right out of the out of the container. It probably wasn't soon. I can't imagine me eating anything else. That's true. What else would you use? A knife. Yeah. Sorry. Get off topic. But I love sprinkles. She loves sprinkles. Definitely for the aesthetic. Yes, they look good. Don't taste good. That's the bottom line. I can agree with that. Okay. Principle number five, we are halfway there. This one is titled Discovering the Satisfaction Factor. So this one, I'm going to directly quote from the intuitive eating website their list of principles. So they say to describe this one that when you eat what you really want in an environment that is inviting, the pleasure you derive will be a powerful force in helping you feel satisfied and content. So basically saying, if you have a craving, the only way to satisfy that craving is to eat whatever you're craving. If you try to cover it with something else lower calorie option or whatever it might be, the craving is likely going to keep on persisting. Exactly. And it can lead to that binging we've seen with restrictions. It's another way that people have tried curving what they have been feeling or have been craving. When if you just allow yourself to consume something that will be satisfying to you, the satisfaction factor will be so much higher and you'll feel so much better rather than trying to eat something else. Yeah. And you'll be satisfied quicker too. So you don't need to eat as much unless you're craving it, then go for it. But you likely will be satisfied a lot faster. So eating less will usually be the result. Exactly. If you're at a social gathering and you see some dessert that looks really good, but you're telling yourself that I don't deserve that dessert. You'll probably end up thinking about it for the rest of the night, and then you can end up binging when you come home because you surprise yourself of that when you could have just eaten the dessert and enjoyed it there. And the satisfaction of the fun environment you're in. Yeah, exactly. That's a big part, too. I think of the environment. If you're surrounded by friends and family, you again probably won't feel the need to overeat anyway because you're getting the satisfaction from your company along with honoring your craving as well. Exactly. That comforting environment that creates a safe space is very important. Yeah. So the 6th one is feeling your fullness. This goes right along with the second one, which is honoring your hunger. So basically the opposite end of that. So again, our body is sending us signals when it is hungry and when it gets full and so making sure you are fully listening to your body when you are eating, not being distracted by scrolling through Instagram or even watching TV, or if you are at work, not eating through your lunch break or working through your lunch break while you're eating, that can really help you to recognize those hunger and fullness cues. Remember Emily, when we learned in school about that Hershey kiss exercise? Yes. That's what I always think about when I talk about, like, feeling your fullness. It's like mindful eating.

Participant #1:

So to go over that activity that we had that I thought it was like a really great experience that I have never experienced anything like that before. One of our professors gave us all Hershey kisses and she had us all close our eyes. And then she walked us through the steps of eating a Hershey kiss, which, when I say it like that, you don't really think there are steps to eating a Hershey kiss. It's kind of just you unwrap it and pop it in your mouth and voila you're done. But voila she really had us focus on the sensation of opening the wrapper and listening to the sounds and then holding it in our hand and like, do you want to do this now? Feel welcome to have you ever heard she kiss on hand or any type of soft music? Yes. At this point, like, close your eyes, take your candy into your hand and unwrap the wrapper. This is a meditation thing. But then you unwrap the wrapper and you listen to the sounds and the crinkle of the wrapper. You're opening it and hold the candy in your hand and feel the weight and the shape of the candy and really appreciate its shape from here on out, you can put it in your mouth. And whether this is a chocolate candy, a fruity candy, hard, soft whatever. Allow it to rest on your tongue and experience it as it melts and really think about what is happening to the candy as it's in your mouth. Don't chew it yet. But think about the flavor you're experiencing. How would you describe those? And then once you're ready, you can take a bite of it. And what do you experience then? Is it crunchy? Is it hard because the hard candy you shouldn't bite it? Is it chewy and sticking in your teeth? Let yourself know you're so good at this. I would be like, all right. How is it? Okay. Cool. I've been listening to a lot of meditation recently. Yeah, that was totally amazing. Basically, this kind of helps you. This is mindful eating. It's different than intuitive eating, but I think they kind of go. They can go hand in hand together. And it's really about thinking about what you're experiencing, all your eating, something I love doing and my family members and friends kind of. I don't say they dislike me because of this, but I'm a very slow eater because of this activity, and it's because I take smaller bites so I can experience the food longer. I feel like that's like the biggest hack in life. Like the small. If you love eating, do it slower and like, take smaller bites because then you can experience it longer. I get so sad when it's over quickly. But just try this with your next meal or whatever you're eating or a snack you have and really just thinking about the texture, the flavor, the temperature of what you're eating. And this will help your body while you're doing this in time. You'll also allow your body to take the time to gauge that you're eating food and send out those hormones that indicate that you are full. I know this is also something pretty challenging because I've heard so many different things where people are like, you should eat until you feel 60% full or you should eat until you feel 75% full. And I honestly don't really know. I couldn't tell you my percentage that my stomach is being filled up or what I'm experiencing at that time. I try not to go overboard or I'm like comatose. That's too far. But I think this is something that also takes practice. That's kind of a motif in this little episode where all these principles take practice and the more you're aware of how your body is reacting to food, the more you'll be able to gauge your fullness. Yes. Well said that little experience. I hope someone did it. I hope someone. Yeah. If you did, let us know. We want to hear about it. Yeah. Let us know what food you use, too. Yeah. We did a kiss. That was a really good one. So it melts in your mouth. You can experience that. And then when you do to it, it's super soft and melty. Everyone loves chocolate. So that was just positive experience from that. That's a good one. I won't forget that. Okay. Number seven, this one is coping with emotions with kindness. So this one goes a lot into about how we sometimes can be emotional eaters. And I talk about this probably daily with my patients and clients, because emotional eating is such a common thing to do. We're feeling stressed or sad or anxious or depressed or even happy and excited. We often turn to food for a whole variety of emotions, and that can be okay. I got to keep saying food is more than just nutrients and calories, but it is important to realize that when you do turn to food to Cook with emotion, it's not going to fix the issue if the issue is causing those emotions. So say, for example, you are feeling super duper stressed and that causes you to overeat or eat more than you normally would. That can be okay to use food as a tool to help you feel better. As long as you realize that food isn't going to fix the problem and that dealing with the problem itself is going to be the only way to actually fix that issue. Exactly. I feel like it's too common that people punish themselves with food, whether it's restriction. I know I'm going more in the negative sense of it not the positive with, like, social settings and such, but people will punish themselves and utilize food as a way to sabotage themselves with either restriction or binging. And I am not specialized at all with mental health or anything with that. But oftentimes I just observed that it'll be to either suppress emotions to the point where they are no longer thinking about that, and they can think about something else with food, which is really sad. And I guess this also comes down to finding coping mechanisms that aren't as self sabotaging

Participant #1:

with. I would say, like going on a walk. Don't let that turn into overcompensation with exercise, but being aware of your relationship with exercise with that. But like walk watching an episode of your favorite TV show reading chapter of one of your favorite books or a book you're working on doing a meditation episode, anything like that. It's more so reflecting on how you react to these different factors or negative factors, I'm focusing more on just this whole thing is on the negative factors. Figure out coping mechanisms that will be good for your wellbeing, overall, yes, I like that. You said that because when you do cope with food versus those other mechanisms, you often will only feel worse because of that whole overeating feeling guilty binging cycle. So if you're able to cope in a more positive way with a walk or reading a book that will make you feel like we're much better about the situation than eating because of the situation or the feeling that you're having. Yeah, this is a really good opportunity for reflection on how you deal with stress. How do you cope in stressful environments or with emotions that you might not necessarily feel comfortable with? What are you doing to combat those? Yes. I love that. So our 8th principle is respecting your body. So this is a big thing. We're going to delve a lot into body image with this one because everyone's body is different. No matter what you eat or how you exercise, you will not look the exact same as someone else is doing that. And there are so many different contributors to that, one of the biggest ones being genetics. And that's okay. It's really about accepting that you're going to look different and that it's okay if you look different. And I know social media and the media in general, the ideal body type has changed every decade. It's always changing, never attainable. And respecting your body is really just about I think more about accepting it and also respecting that. It can do all these crazy things no matter what it looks like the capabilities of your body to go run or sprint for a little distance. If you don't like running, if you go upstairs, not everyone can do that. Swimming is insane. Buoyancy and all that old buoyancy. I don't ever get to include that word in my average day life, so I felt excited to include it on the record nonetheless too, for everyone else to hear. Yeah, buoyancy. I know that word boats. Nice word Association. That was good, but just like appreciating what your body can do. I'm blanking on other ideas. If you have any at this time, that would be the time to chime in. My brain is almost reaching its limit. Only thing wrong. Number eight.

Participant #1:

Yes, everything you said. And I also want to point out that no matter what your body looks like or what stage you're at all, bodies still deserve dignity. They all deserve to eat. They all deserve to be loved. There's really no exception into that that I can think of. At least I don't think there is one. No, there isn't one. No period period might drop. Wait, we have to keep going. Oh, get the bike back out. We're funny today. We're doing good. We are funny today. We have like a meditation session, and now we're like dropping jokes on my last episode where we were struggling, I couldn't even take the word supplement out of my mouth, but thankfully we added that out. So all you heard was the good stuff. This is the highlight reel, by the way, just like everything else. Exactly. Okay, number nine. This one is titled Movement feel the Difference. I always talk about this on my Instagram, talking about how physical activity is so much more than how you look. It is all about how it makes you feel. I used to be super into working out only to change my body type and the way it looks. So doing activity that you truly do enjoy, not just because you think it'll make your body look a certain way is very important and I'll make you want to do it too. If you're doing activities that you don't enjoy. The likelihood of you maintaining that type of activity is very low. You might do it for a while because you think you should. But if you don't truly enjoy it, that's just not going to last. Exactly. But when you're doing exercise that isn't enjoyable to you. How? It's almost like that 30 minutes or hour out of your life, you're going to be miserable. And why would you put yourself through that? When there are so many different types of activity? This doesn't have to be just restricted to, like, group workout classes, lifting weights, going on runs or bike rides. This can be movements such as like dancing or going on a walk or yoga or just moving around your house or like parkour.

Participant #1:

But finding ways to move that you enjoy and feel happy with. The top reason I work out is for my mental health. It's not even for my physical health, which is an added benefit, but it helps keep me calm and reset throughout the day. And if it's a really stressful day, it reminds me of something that is mine and makes me feel happy and is reliable. And I know I will enjoy it. It's like me time, but also movement. Movement doesn't have to be me time. That's just my own experience.

Participant #1:

Yeah. Agreed. Okay. Last one, we are wrapping up here with the principles. So the last one is honoring your health using gentle nutrition. So I love this one because the whole basis of what we've been saying so far is that there's no good food or bad food is more than just calories and nutrition. And the biggest thing I like to point out from this one, and they quote it on their website is that it's important to remember that you don't have to eat perfectly to be healthy, having that pizza, having that cookie, that ice cream, whichever food you feel like isn't the healthiest doesn't have the best nutrients. That's true. It's not going to deteriorate your health just by having that one thing. There's so much more to it than that Emily said earlier. It's not black and white. There is so much Gray area, which is a good thing. It gives us leeway and make sure we can actually enjoy what we're eating. Exactly. And also what I like to do whenever someone makes a comment like, Should you be eating that I always tell them it makes my soul happy because it might not be adding nutrient benefits really to my diet, but I'm enjoying it, and that's what matters. And I really think this principle focuses on your entire well being as an individual, that nutrition isn't just a way to reduce risk of chronic disease. It isn't just a way to lose weight, which is probably I think one of the most popular takes about nutrition is people think nutrition. They think, how do I lose weight? Nutrition isn't just food groups and stuff it's so much more. It's your physical, mental and emotional wellbeing and how honoring all these different principles and your health overall, how you can do that through food in a way of kind of celebrating yourself in your health and who you are and what you're capable of. Yeah, exactly. It's still very empowering. Yeah. Like a new woman today. I know.

Participant #1:

Okay. So that was the ten principles. That is the basics of intuitive eating is so much more than that. That is just the basics. Everyone in their journey is so so different. And that leads me to what I want to talk about next. And that is kind of how to get more involved in this if you do want to learn more. So there are dietitians out there who are certified in intuitive eating. And so those founders of intuitive eating have provided a way to become certified in it so they can specialize in teaching others how to eat intuitively. So if you are an Rd listening and you would like to do that, we'll link below the link to that website of how to kind of go through that process. But if you are not an Rd and you're wanting to learn how to eat intuitively, we will also include some of our favorite intuitive eating dietitians, their Instagram handles in there, as well as the Intuitive Eating Community Forum, where there is just constant conversation about basically, we already went over all those principles and how it kind of looks in people's actual lives and examples. So if you are wanting more info or more, maybe like feedback about people experiencing it. Yes. More feedback, more exposure to that, that would be a great place to start. Yeah. I think it's also important here that we include a Disclaimer that we're not prescribing you. We're not telling you to go. This is your new diet, even though it's not diet like go be an intuitive eater now, that's not what we're telling you. I don't know if I'd say controversy, but there's some pushback, but yes, there's some pushback about intuitive eating because I think there's a lot about the way the information is presented. It seems very basic and a lot easier said than done. A lot of these principles, and that's not always what people want to hear. They either want strict rules, I feel or they're like, why would you develop this thing, trying to control how I eat, and in some cases, intuitive eating, depending on someone's background their relationship with food, these people are most likely already working with dietitians, but it might not be appropriate for them. And that's okay. Yeah. This isn't something that we're trying to force everyone to do, but it is something that we preach that will improve your relationship with your food and your body, which is kind of an angle of all Dietitions, I think, but just a Disclaimer that we're not going to go yell at you to be in two de beers. These are just different principles that we want you to reflect on. Maybe try one out to see how you can include in your life, see how you like it. It's not going to change overnight. This isn't something that happens right away. It's something you have to work on over a long period of time. All these principles are very different, and the breakdown of each in terms of incorporating these interior lives can look very different. That's why it's really awesome that there are intuitive eating counselors because they're really great at working people through this and helping them through their journey. But yeah, we want to share this information with you guys and help you learn something new today. And if you'd already known about this, maybe provide some type of clarification on a topic you might have heard of before or even just provide a new perspective on it you can enjoy. Yeah, it's educational. If you hadn't heard of it before, we hope that at least you learn that it existed. Not everyone even knows what intuitive eating is or that it's a thing. So hopefully that was you. You at least learned that there's a different approach out there. Nothing else has worked for you in the past, and you want to do something different. Exactly. So, Hannah, how do you like your coffee? I'm so glad you asked. I'm dying to tell you. I know my answer is going to be longer than it should be. That's okay. So it depends on the season. That's my short answer. So as it is currently transitioning as we're recording this from winter to spring, summer, I too, am transitioning into a beautiful butterfly. No, I'm transitioning my coffee preferences. So usually when the depths of winter also, is it depths or depths, it's definitely depth. Yeah.

Participant #1:

I think of Game of Thrones for some reason when I just said that. Okay. Anyway, in the depths of winter, stop, winter is coming in the depths of winter. I am obviously super into hot coffee. And then now this time of year, I transition. So if it's, like, a cooler morning, I'll have a warm coffee. If it's a warmer day, I'll do an iced coffee. Ross and I actually have this whole cold brew set up in our little fridge downstairs. We have, like, a whole beverage fridge with, like, coffee, wine, seltzers juice, all kinds of stuff. But we are pretty big into cold brew. I actually just got this, like, blueberry cold brew that I'm excited to try. Sounds so good, but what I put in my coffee, whether it's hot or cold, is usually just, like a splash of Creamer. I like to try the different flavors, so that's the gist of it. How about you? Nice. I thought that would be longer. I don't know why I could have gone on, but I felt like I was just rambling and it wasn't that great. It made sense. I am not like Hannah, and I don't transition with the season, but I will drink cold coffee no matter how cold it is outside, like it can be negative 20, and I will drink cold coffee. The reason why is because I feel like there's only a certain temperature that I like to drink hot coffee at. It very long. No. And once it's there, you have to drink it quickly or almost always. I agree. And I get upset and I can't even drink it right away because it's too hot or I'll burn myself. And then I don't taste the rest of the coffee because my tongue is burnt, and then it kind of gets that weird, like bitter taste if you let it get too cool. Yes, I totally agree. The only hot coffee I will now drink normally is Starbucks peppermint Mocha. In December, I will put aside my cold coffee for the peppermint Mocha because I love peppermint mochas, but normally I also drink cold brews. I'm really a fan of like, I've been drinking a lot of Starbucks lately, so the cold foam on top is really good. Yeah, I really like the salted cream one because I like, Hannah knows this. I used to really like sweet coffees, and I don't know what happened to grad school, but I just started drinking like black coffee, and I am a new woman. You're an adult. Now. I am officially adult. I drank black coffee voluntarily multiple times, but I really don't like sweet coffee. Now it's like when I try to do the personalized or the customized drinks where I try to get the price down if I add too much syrup of something, it's like way too sweet to me, which is really sad, but I guess that's just my taste is changing. I normally go for cold brew with some type of salted cream, or I go for an iced latte, and I used to like almond milk, but now I'm trying to switch to oat milk because almond milk was not good for the environment. In terms of I watched a video on like that sounds like such a noncredible source. I watched some video and it taught me everything about the sustainability behind almondville, but just the amount of water they use to make a singular cup of almond milk is insane. And other people have told me that almond milk is not good for the environment. So I'm trying to be more environmentally friendly. And oat milk is also good. That's so good. Also, like, my body doesn't like milk. So that is why I do not go for any of those other types of milks or a lot of creamers, because even though the flamers always look so good, even though I feel like I just drink, like, so much Creamer in the I just dump until it's a good. Yeah. My all time favorite Starbucks drink is the pumpkin cream cold brew. That is so good. Oh, my God, I have a copycat version that I created. That one is so good. It's on the blog, but it's not as good good. It's. It's really good. It's a really good dupe. But my favorite Starbucks. It's so good. Was it two years ago came out. I think this was only the second season this past year of it. Was it really? Yeah. Because I remember it was like, mind blowing to people. Yeah. And I was like, no more PSLs for me. No. They usually have it, like, still in January for my birthday. So I usually get my birthday for my three one. I get like, a Venti pumpkin spice. Can I go on a little rant about this? This is a bonus question. My birthday is August 23. And because of the pandemic, Starbucks is like, we're releasing our drink earlier, like the pumpkin cold fruit. But at my Starbucks, it was not released in time for my free Starbucks drink, so I don't even know what I got. But I swear it was like, a couple of days later, they released it, and I was livid. Man. I still went and got it. You had to pay, like, $5 for it, though. I know. And I was like, my birthday drink. It's one of my favorite Starbucks drinks. And here we are. My aunt calls Starbucks $5 because every drink is like, $5. Oh, yeah.

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True. It's okay. Good quality stuff. High quality drinks. We need to add that to our list of vacation spots. We need to go to the Seattle one. Yeah. You should come to Chicago. We opened that new Starbucks downtown. That's, like, four levels. Have you got it? I still haven't been there because of Kovan, so we can go. It's so booty, but it seems on brand. I want to go. Okay, well, that's her list of homes. Awesome. Okay, guys. Well, that was episode five. Intuitive eating. Thank you so, so much for listening. And we will see you next week for episode six. Yes. Bye bye.